THE TRUMP 2024 THREAD

[Thebrownblob]

So Russia is invading Ukraine because they are trying to save Europe and the world from exposed pathogens?

Doubt They cared about the rest of the world. Do you think the United States would invade a country doing such a thing on their border?
And I’m pretty sure there’s more than one reason why they felt they should be be able to invade. I think they were wrong, but they obviously don’t.

After months of denial, U.S. admits to running Ukraine biolabs

Washington has been urged to come clean over its biolab program in Ukraine after the Department of Defense admitted its existence. The Pentagon said on Thursday that it has operated 46 biolabs in Ukraine handling dangerous pathogens, after previously dismissing the charges as Russian propaganda.

www.peoplesworld.org

 

[Doublestandards]

Doubt They cared about the rest of the world. Do you think the United States would invade a country doing such a thing on their border?
And I’m pretty sure there’s more than one reason why they felt they should be be able to invade. I think they were wrong, but they obviously don’t.

After months of denial, U.S. admits to running Ukraine biolabs

Washington has been urged to come clean over its biolab program in Ukraine after the Department of Defense admitted its existence. The Pentagon said on Thursday that it has operated 46 biolabs in Ukraine handling dangerous pathogens, after previously dismissing the charges as Russian propaganda.

www.peoplesworld.org

From the source you cited:

Editor’s Note (August 24, 2023): This article contains partial information which may lead readers to conclude that the U.S. Department of Defense admitted to operating biological weapons laboratories – “biolabs” – inside Ukraine. What the U.S. government confirmed was the funding/operation of biological laboratories researching certain diseases and pathogens in Ukraine. The Russian government has long claimed that these labs were also conducting (or could in the future conduct) research and development on chemical and biological weaponry. Many Q-Anon and other right-wing conspiracy theorists have repeated the Russian accusations. The implication of the above article is that, given the U.S.’ long and atrocious record of conducting chemical and biological warfare in places like Korea, Cuba, and Iraq, such a possibility is not outside the realm of believability. It does not directly claim, however, that such development has occurred. It does report on demands by China, though, that the U.S. fully disclose the nature of the research it collaborated on with Ukraine. At this time, there is no confirmed evidence of chemical or biological weapons research being carried out at the labs in question.

 

[Thebrownblob]

From the source you cited:

Editor’s Note (August 24, 2023): This article contains partial information which may lead readers to conclude that the U.S. Department of Defense admitted to operating biological weapons laboratories – “biolabs” – inside Ukraine. What the U.S. government confirmed was the funding/operation of biological laboratories researching certain diseases and pathogens in Ukraine. The Russian government has long claimed that these labs were also conducting (or could in the future conduct) research and development on chemical and biological weaponry. Many Q-Anon and other right-wing conspiracy theorists have repeated the Russian accusations. The implication of the above article is that, given the U.S.’ long and atrocious record of conducting chemical and biological warfare in places like Korea, Cuba, and Iraq, such a possibility is not outside the realm of believability. It does not directly claim, however, that such development has occurred. It does report on demands by China, though, that the U.S. fully disclose the nature of the research it collaborated on with Ukraine. At this time, there is no confirmed evidence of chemical or biological weapons research being carried out at the labs in question.

Why do you think I posted the article? Gabberd never claimed there was biological weapons only biological labs. Which the United States denied for a long time. The Russians claim there’s biological weapons. Notice the difference. The Democrats and some Republican neocon ran with the idea that she said biological weapons. When she did not. I do find it curious we denied for so long that they existed. And as we’ve seen with Covid. a lab can possibly become pretty dangerous.

 

[Doublestandards]

Why do you think I posted the article? Gabberd never claimed there was biological weapons only biological labs. Which the United States denied for a long time. The Russians claim there’s biological weapons. Notice the difference. The Democrats and some Republican neocon ran with the idea that she said biological weapons. When she did not. I do find it curious we denied for so long that they existed.

Do you have a source for the U.S. denying bio labs in Ukraine?

And as we’ve seen with Covid. a lab can possibly become pretty dangerous.

Ok but that’s still no justification for invasion and war from a country. If that wasn’t Gabbards point than I’m not sure why you’re bringing it up, because that IS a Russian talking point

 

[Thebrownblob]

Do you have a source for the U.S. denying bio labs in Ukraine?

Ok but that’s still no justification for invasion and war from a country. If that wasn’t Gabbards point than I’m not sure why you’re bringing it up, because that IS a Russian talking point

Since I’m anti-war I would say there’s never justification, but that’s not the point. That’s because you’ve done no research into it and there’s way more to it than that. I think you’re being dishonest when you said you would vote for her. I think that’s pretty clear here. Why would you lie about such a thing and what is your reasoning?
Every question you asked about her I answered with her on words. Her discussing a reason Russia gave whether it’s good or bad does not constitute the talking point.

Ukraine Symposium – Russia’s Allegations of U.S. Biological Warfare in Ukraine – Part I - Lieber Institute West Point

Russia’s allegations of U.S.-Ukraine collaboration in developing biological weapons have not been supported by evidence.

lieber.westpoint.edu

Ukraine Symposium - Russia’s Allegations of U.S. Biological Warfare in Ukraine - Part II - Lieber Institute West Point

Biological Weapons Convention has several deficiencies in its compliance and enforcement procedures, which leads to questions about its value.

lieber.westpoint.edu

 

[Doublestandards]

Since I’m anti-war I would say there’s never justification, but that’s not the point. That’s because you’ve done no research into it and there’s way more to it than that. I think you’re being dishonest when you said you would vote for her. I think that’s pretty clear here. Why would you lie about such a thing and what is your reasoning?
Every question you asked about her I answered with her on words. Her discussing a reason Russia gave whether it’s good or bad does not constitute the talking point.

Ukraine Symposium – Russia’s Allegations of U.S. Biological Warfare in Ukraine – Part I - Lieber Institute West Point

Russia’s allegations of U.S.-Ukraine collaboration in developing biological weapons have not been supported by evidence.

lieber.westpoint.edu

Ukraine Symposium - Russia’s Allegations of U.S. Biological Warfare in Ukraine - Part II - Lieber Institute West Point

Biological Weapons Convention has several deficiencies in its compliance and enforcement procedures, which leads to questions about its value.

lieber.westpoint.edu

I’ve done no research into it? I’m lying about I would vote for her? Lol why would I lie about that? I thought we were just having a discussion, I’ve done a ton of reading just today from this discussion

I just asked for a source of the U.S. denying bio labs in Ukraine, because I couldn’t find anything of that on my own when I looked for it…

How and why would you claim I’ve done no research into it? Why is everything I say fueled from media propaganda and I’ve done no research into it?

 

[Thebrownblob]

Do you have a source for the U.S. denying bio labs in Ukraine?

Ok but that’s still no justification for invasion and war from a country. If that wasn’t Gabbards point than I’m not sure why you’re bringing it up, because that IS a Russian talking point

• Tulsi Gabbard, former congresswoman for Hawaii, on Sunday asked whether the biolabs in Ukraine were safe amid the invasion

Why is it a problem for you that she asked this question? Why are you so easily propagandized?

The US labs in Ukraine that sparked a propaganda war

The Pentagon says it has invested $200 million in Ukraine to reduce biological threats - which the administration says feature in Russian disinformation campaigns.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Thebrownblob]

I’ve done no research into it? I’m lying about I would vote for her? Lol why would I lie about that? I thought we were just having a discussion, I’ve done a ton of reading just today from this discussion

I just asked for a source of the U.S. denying bio labs in Ukraine, because I couldn’t find anything of that on my own when I looked for it…

How and why would you claim I’ve done no research into it? Why is everything I say fueled from media propaganda and I’ve done no research into it?

I have no idea why you would lie I have no idea why you come on here and ask constant questions of everyone else and never give any answers, and you act, ignorant to subjects, and then pretend you know all the answers. Your routine is getting quite old.

Yes, all your words are exact talking points of propaganda. The same thing you’re subtly accusing the person you say you would vote for doing. Your credibility is dwindling.

 

[Doublestandards]

Since I’m anti-war I would say there’s never justification, but that’s not the point. That’s because you’ve done no research into it and there’s way more to it than that. I think you’re being dishonest when you said you would vote for her. I think that’s pretty clear here. Why would you lie about such a thing and what is your reasoning?
Every question you asked about her I answered with her on words. Her discussing a reason Russia gave whether it’s good or bad does not constitute the talking point.

Ukraine Symposium – Russia’s Allegations of U.S. Biological Warfare in Ukraine – Part I - Lieber Institute West Point

Russia’s allegations of U.S.-Ukraine collaboration in developing biological weapons have not been supported by evidence.

lieber.westpoint.edu

Ukraine Symposium - Russia’s Allegations of U.S. Biological Warfare in Ukraine - Part II - Lieber Institute West Point

Biological Weapons Convention has several deficiencies in its compliance and enforcement procedures, which leads to questions about its value.

lieber.westpoint.edu

Since I’m anti-war I would say there’s never justification, but that’s not the point. That’s because you’ve done no research into it and there’s way more to it than that. I think you’re being dishonest when you said you would vote for her. I think that’s pretty clear here. Why would you lie about such a thing and what is your reasoning?
Every question you asked about her I answered with her on words. Her discussing a reason Russia gave whether it’s good or bad does not constitute the talking point.

Ukraine Symposium – Russia’s Allegations of U.S. Biological Warfare in Ukraine – Part I - Lieber Institute West Point

Russia’s allegations of U.S.-Ukraine collaboration in developing biological weapons have not been supported by evidence.

lieber.westpoint.edu

Ukraine Symposium - Russia’s Allegations of U.S. Biological Warfare in Ukraine - Part II - Lieber Institute West Point

Biological Weapons Convention has several deficiencies in its compliance and enforcement procedures, which leads to questions about its value.

lieber.westpoint.edu

I’m heading out now but i will read those two links when I can sit down, thanks

 

[Doublestandards]

I have no idea why you lie I have no idea why you come on here and ask constant questions and never give any answers you act, ignorant to subjects, and then pretend you know all the answers. Your routine is getting quite old.

wtf is your problem man? What did I lie about? What did I not answer? wtf are you getting so defensive over, I thought we were having a productive conversation lol, you are on a complete different vibe than I am right now. Maybe miscommunication from text, I don’t know. But if you feel those ways about me, which I’m telling you’re wrong about me, and you don’t believe me, then just hit the ignore button on me, because you clearly have the wrong idea about me and I guess I had the wrong idea about you

 

[Thebrownblob]

wtf is your problem man? What did I lie about? What did I not answer? wtf are you getting so defensive over, I thought we were having a productive conversation lol, you are on a complete different vibe than I am right now. Maybe miscommunication from text, I don’t know. But if you feel those ways about me, which I’m telling you’re wrong about me, and you don’t believe me, then just hit the ignore button on me, because you clearly have the wrong idea about me and I guess I had the wrong idea about you

No defensiveness by me I’m just calling you out on your ridiculous line of questioning. So you’re telling me you would vote for Tulsa Gabbard even though somehow you’ve twisted it to believe that she might have spread Russian propaganda lol? And you haven’t discounted she might even be a Russian asset?
And I think I outlined for you pretty well why it wasn’t spreading propaganda and you still persist. She feels the Biden Harris administration marked her as a terrorist. I’m sure you think she’s lying about that too. But you would vote for her? None of That makes sense to me.
Help it makes sense

For the record, I like her, but I doubt I would ever vote for her for president. not because of some silly notion that she’s a traitor or Russian Asset.

 

[newfie]

Maybe trumps a hero to you, but not me or half of Americans

50 + 1

Again, you didn’t have these type of defenses for democrats when they won 2020.

he also missed 2016, 2012, 2008, 2004 and so on. not that it matters

The left said the same things about the fbi and Clinton. Comey reopened the fbi investigation into her days before the election. So much talk about Biden and China and being the big guy. All the investigations. It’s ridiculous to act like the right didn’t slander the left just the same

this point seems to be more important than a talking point on a message board. Shouldnt we all be concerned that those people are getting away with all that criminal activity.

Just because Trump won the election doesn’t mean he’s innocent.

Just because he's trump does not mean he is guilty nor that he has less rights than any other political leader.

He tried overturning the election. That’s a fact.

If he had tried to do so he had many more options available as president than an unarmed mob.

 

[Doublestandards]

If he had tried to do so he had many more options available as president than an unarmed mob.

he tried multiple other methods as well, like the fraudulent electors and his call to governor asking to find enough votes so he would win

 

[DriveInDriveOut]

he tried multiple other methods as well, like the fraudulent electors and his call to governor asking to find enough votes so he would win

Amazing the misinformation you fall for...

 

[throwaway10]

The bloodbath from this election continues to reverberate.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/11/17/media/iowa-pollster-ann-selzer-retire-trump-harris/index.html

She announced her retirement months ago.

 

[vantexan]

Do you have a source for the U.S. denying bio labs in Ukraine?

Ok but that’s still no justification for invasion and war from a country. If that wasn’t Gabbards point than I’m not sure why you’re bringing it up, because that IS a Russian talking point

Tulsi and others argue that we're playing with fire taking sides against a nuclear power. Those that support Ukraine argue if not Ukraine then eventually a NATO country. I don't think Putin is that stupid. But I friend also think those supporting Ukraine are motivated by.greed. I was for supporting Ukraine at first because they have the right to self determination. But it can't go on forever. Carve off the eastern side that's populated by ethnic Russians and give Ukrainians guarantees we'll come to their aid if Russia ever invades again. Putin is probably looking for a way to get out of it while saving face.

 

[Integrity]

@Integrity ?



Expand your information sources beyond Joy Reid if you're not sure what leftist insanity millions of people had a problem with and voted against in the election. I've written books worth on it here.

You called?

 

[Thebrownblob]

She announced her retirement months ago.

I suppose. Never heard it she conveniently said she had told them she might retire. All of this came out after that poll, kind of convenient and she doesn’t seem to be very trustworthy and the news isn’t reporting it that way. Either way she totally discredited herself. That’s not debatable.

 

[oldngray]

I suppose. Never heard it and the news isn’t reporting it that way. Either way she totally discredited herself. That’s not debatable.

If she had really announced her retirement earlier I'm sure the news would have been all over it.

 

[Thebrownblob]

If she had really announced her retirement earlier I'm sure the news would have been all over it.

Nobody reported it but in a op-Ed after the election. She wrote saying oh yeah by the way, I already told them I wasn’t coming back…. lol I bet you did. It’s not reported that way because it sounded very self-serving.