THE TRUMP 2024 THREAD

newfie

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Thebrownblob

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Ain’t that the truth. I feel very grateful my dad taught me about credit and paying my debts.

So many people I know are paying as much on their cars each month I pay in rent. I was reading something from Dave Ramsey saying how much people owe on their cars each month, and If they instead bought what they could afford in cash and put the monthly payments in a 401k they’d have millions for retirement
I don’t always agree with him, but when it comes to Cars, I think he’s right on the money
I cannot fathom spending 40 K on a car
I haven’t had a car payment any kind since 2006.
 

Doublestandards

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I don’t always agree with him, but when it comes to Cars, I think he’s right on the money
I cannot fathom spending 40 K on a car
I haven’t had a car payment any kind since 2006.
40k seems like light work too now days

You drivers are crazy with your near 100k massive trucks lol. My parking lot at work looks like a monster truck rally
 

newfie

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The Supreme Court lied to the public and said they wouldn’t overturn roe v wade, but then overruled roe v wade after trumps term, which Trump took credit for, is it so hard to believe they’ll overturn the right to gay marriage?
which dem lied? None of the trump apointees lied. they wouldnt touch the question since you cant prejudge or forecast what potential case with its unique details might come in front of them?
 

Doublestandards

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which dem lied? None of the trump apointees lied. they wouldnt touch the question since you cant prejudge or forecast what potential case with its unique details might come in front of them?

Kavanaugh: Senator, I said that it is settled as a precedent of the Supreme Court, entitled the respect under principles of stare decisis. And one of the important things to keep in mind about Roe v. Wade is that it has been reaffirmed many times over the past 45 years, as you know, and most prominently, most importantly, reaffirmed in Planned Parenthood v. Casey in 1992.

And as you well recall, senator, I know when that case came up, the Supreme Court did not just reaffirm it in passing. The court specifically went through all the factors of stare decisis in considering whether to overrule it, and the joint opinion of Justice Kennedy, Justice O’Connor and Justice Souter, at great length went through those factors. That was the question presented in the case.

To your point, your broader point, Roe v. Wade is an important precedent of the Supreme Court. It has been reaffirmed many times. It was reaffirmed in Planned Parenthood v. Casey in 1992 when the court specifically considered whether to reaffirm it or whether to overturn it. In that case, in great detail, the three-justice opinion of Justice Kennedy, Justice Souter and Justice O’Connor went through all the factors, the stare decisis factors, analyzed those, and decided to reaffirm Roe.

That makes Casey precedent on precedent. It has been relied on. Casey itself has been cited as authority in subsequent cases such as Glucksberg and other cases. So that precedent on precedent is quite important as you think about stare decisis in this context.
 

vantexan

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Kavanaugh: Senator, I said that it is settled as a precedent of the Supreme Court, entitled the respect under principles of stare decisis. And one of the important things to keep in mind about Roe v. Wade is that it has been reaffirmed many times over the past 45 years, as you know, and most prominently, most importantly, reaffirmed in Planned Parenthood v. Casey in 1992.

And as you well recall, senator, I know when that case came up, the Supreme Court did not just reaffirm it in passing. The court specifically went through all the factors of stare decisis in considering whether to overrule it, and the joint opinion of Justice Kennedy, Justice O’Connor and Justice Souter, at great length went through those factors. That was the question presented in the case.

To your point, your broader point, Roe v. Wade is an important precedent of the Supreme Court. It has been reaffirmed many times. It was reaffirmed in Planned Parenthood v. Casey in 1992 when the court specifically considered whether to reaffirm it or whether to overturn it. In that case, in great detail, the three-justice opinion of Justice Kennedy, Justice Souter and Justice O’Connor went through all the factors, the stare decisis factors, analyzed those, and decided to reaffirm Roe.

That makes Casey precedent on precedent. It has been relied on. Casey itself has been cited as authority in subsequent cases such as Glucksberg and other cases. So that precedent on precedent is quite important as you think about stare decisis in this context.
Are things carved in stone? Overturning Roe was based on a case brought before them about whether a state had the right to control abortion in their state. They decided in the majority that abortion should have never been taken from the States based on the Constitution. That Roe was an incorrect interpretation of the Constitution. The result? There is still abortion available in most of the U.S. But States that don't want it in the extreme forms that advocates want, anytime for any reason, can insure that doesn't happen.
 

newfie

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Kavanaugh: Senator, I said that it is settled as a precedent of the Supreme Court, entitled the respect under principles of stare decisis. And one of the important things to keep in mind about Roe v. Wade is that it has been reaffirmed many times over the past 45 years, as you know, and most prominently, most importantly, reaffirmed in Planned Parenthood v. Casey in 1992.

And as you well recall, senator, I know when that case came up, the Supreme Court did not just reaffirm it in passing. The court specifically went through all the factors of stare decisis in considering whether to overrule it, and the joint opinion of Justice Kennedy, Justice O’Connor and Justice Souter, at great length went through those factors. That was the question presented in the case.

To your point, your broader point, Roe v. Wade is an important precedent of the Supreme Court. It has been reaffirmed many times. It was reaffirmed in Planned Parenthood v. Casey in 1992 when the court specifically considered whether to reaffirm it or whether to overturn it. In that case, in great detail, the three-justice opinion of Justice Kennedy, Justice Souter and Justice O’Connor went through all the factors, the stare decisis factors, analyzed those, and decided to reaffirm Roe.

That makes Casey precedent on precedent. It has been relied on. Casey itself has been cited as authority in subsequent cases such as Glucksberg and other cases. So that precedent on precedent is quite important as you think about stare decisis in this context.
you realize calling it settled and reaffirmed does not mean he is saying he wont change it? Its one of those wonderful legaleezy ways of speaking to something without saying what you think it means.

you realize that while overturning Roe vs wade makes it sound like abortion has been banned in fact the decision just means the power to decide has been transferred back to congress and the states? The courts should not legislate. ever.

the conservative position has always been against bypassing the legislative process in favor of judicial activism. So in this case congress can simply get together and develop a compromise that works for most parties.
that is how congress is supposed to work but they have been so busy fighting for personal political gain that they refuse to legislate.
 

UnionStrong

Sorry, but I don’t care anymore.
you realize calling it settled and reaffirmed does not mean he is saying he wont change it? Its one of those wonderful legaleezy ways of speaking to something without saying what you think it means.

you realize that while overturning Roe vs wade makes it sound like abortion has been banned in fact the decision just means the power to decide has been transferred back to congress and the states? The courts should not legislate. ever.

the conservative position has always been against bypassing the legislative process in favor of judicial activism. So in this case congress can simply get together and develop a compromise that works for most parties.
that is how congress is supposed to work but they have been so busy fighting for personal political gain that they refuse to legislate.
Our elected officials in the house and senate are cowards, they won’t take a stand on controversial bills. They prefer that the president sign executive orders. That’s why the executive branch continues to usurp the powers of the legislative branch. Before long, they won’t have much say and we will have a king.
 

oldngray

nowhere special
Our elected officials in the house and senate are cowards, they won’t take a stand on controversial bills. They prefer that the president sign executive orders. That’s why the executive branch continues to usurp the powers of the legislative branch. Before long, they won’t have much say and we will have a king.
Supreme Court tries to avoid hot topics as much as possible too.
 

Thebrownblob

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Supreme Court tries to avoid hot topics as much as possible too.
Yep, they pass on these topics all the time it takes a pretty high profile case with a good argument to go in front of the Supreme Court.

Again only fear mongering from the left with the gay marriage nonsense. It’s laughable. The biggest issue anyone has with this is calling it marriage because of the religious implications. Most people had no objections to legal unions between same-sex couples.
 

Box Ox

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The Supreme Court lied to the public and said they wouldn’t overturn roe v wade, but then overruled roe v wade after trumps term, which Trump took credit for, is it so hard to believe they’ll overturn the right to gay marriage?

Overturning the right to gay marriage would be much worse for the Republicans than the overturning of Roe v Wade because it wouldn’t be overturning a poorly constructed Supreme Court decision and it also wouldn’t be leaving the issue up to the states, right?
 

BrownFlush

Woke Racist Reigning Ban King
Interesting all the talk about how bad the economy is and inflation and people not able to afford anything, yet we just had a record breaking Black Friday sales lol

People know they will be able to pay their bills next year when Trump is in.
 
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