"Protection"?
So no matter the outcome you aren't going to be happy? Let's get the war over. If that takes concessions on each side then great.
LMFAO you have been one of the most pro war people here.
Yes it would have been even better if you people and your political party hadn't tanked peace talks and supported the destruction and death for no reason.
Where have you been? I've been pro defense, pro sovereignty and in recent months have been saying rather than continue to let people get killed Ukraine needs to consider giving up the Donbas in exchange for guarantees that NATO would come to their defense if Russia attacks again. Russia needs to agree to that too and it would allow Putin to save face. What I don't want is an escalation that involves NATO and possible nuclear war if Putin is backed into a corner.
You told us years ago that Ukraine should give up because there's no way they can beat Russia.
He’s very suspectible to strong arm authoritarian governments so that makes sense, just wanting to hand over to Russia
It’s not perfect but I think that would be a reasonable conclusion. I could understand not wanting to give up their land also though. If Russia attacked us I wouldn’t be happy with them taking a couple of our states just to stop attacking us.
I think it's great that "in recent months" you've come to accept what I told you 2 years ago.
No I told you Russia would get the territories they wanted like donbas and you pushed delusions of freedom fighters taking down Russia.
You're projecting harrywarden.
You're saying they should give up.
What leverage did the Ukrainians have three years ago? Two years ago? They finally got some decent weaponry and the Russians have been chewed up. No way there was going to be negotiations three years ago that didn't involve Ukraine's complete surrender. But now I'm betting Putin is looking for a way out. As is Zelensky.
It’s funny because he’s trying to argue but he’s saying exactly what you said. Basically Ukraine shouldn’t have fought back. His idea of peace deal is just letting Russia be a bully and get what they want
LMFAO
The deal makes no sense since most of the minerals. Trump says he wants are controlled by Russia now. Russia is not giving bad land.
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You're confused Harry.
Not doing any such thing. I never thought NATO membership was viable because Ukraine was/is about as corrupt as they come. But I do believe in their right to defend their sovereignty. If guarantees that NATO will defend them if Russia ever attacks them again would settle this in exchange for giving up territory then fine by me. Russian separatists have been fighting in the Donbas for over 10 years and have driven most ethnic Ukrainians out anyways. Let Russia rebuild that area.
Yes you are.
