Thebrownblob
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Europe can’t hold our jockstrap lol
THE TRUMP 2024 THREAD
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Doublestandards
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Trump now talking about denuclearizing and cutting our military budget in half. It does seem like that may be the plan
This all seems like good news for Russia. Will be interesting
oldngray
nowhere special
Zelenskyy decided to play games and this is what happens.
Trump pauses aid to Ukraine after fiery meeting with Zelenskyy — Fox News
President Donald Trump has reportedly paused aid to Ukraine, following a contentious meeting with President Zelenskyy.apple.news
Making Sense of Trump’s Talk of ‘Denuclearization’ | Arms Control Association
“a dialogue between Moscow and Washington could lead to negotiations to maintain or lower current limits on the world’s two largest nuclear arsenals before the New Strategic Arms Reduction Treaty (New START) expires in February 2026.”
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“In the absence of such new limits, Russia and the United States could significantly increase the number of deployed strategic nuclear warheads by uploading additional warheads onto existing land- and sea-based ballistic missiles. Any Russian and U.S. buildup would destabilize the mutual balance of nuclear terror, strain the already exorbitant and behind-schedule U.S. nuclear modernization program, and prompt China to accelerate its own nuclear buildup.”
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“Although Trump has decried the enormous costs of nuclear weapons—now projected to consume more than $800 billion in the next decade—he also has directed the U.S. Defense Department to make a priority of upgrading the nuclear arsenal and expanding missile defenses, ostensibly to defend against a Chinese or Russian strategic nuclear attack.”
Thebrownblob
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I think you could cut our military budget quite a bit getting rid of waste and fraud and still have the same military We have now.
Over70irregs
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All they have to do is place hold. There HAS to be an excuse to print.
Doublestandards
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Russia has just shown us they can’t be trusted. The reason they were able to invade Ukraine was because Ukraine gave up their weapons and Russia backed out of the agreement.Making Sense of Trump’s Talk of ‘Denuclearization’ | Arms Control Association
www.armscontrol.org
“a dialogue between Moscow and Washington could lead to negotiations to maintain or lower current limits on the world’s two largest nuclear arsenals before the New Strategic Arms Reduction Treaty (New START) expires in February 2026.”
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“In the absence of such new limits, Russia and the United States could significantly increase the number of deployed strategic nuclear warheads by uploading additional warheads onto existing land- and sea-based ballistic missiles. Any Russian and U.S. buildup would destabilize the mutual balance of nuclear terror, strain the already exorbitant and behind-schedule U.S. nuclear modernization program, and prompt China to accelerate its own nuclear buildup.”
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“Although Trump has decried the enormous costs of nuclear weapons—now projected to consume more than $800 billion in the next decade—he also has directed the U.S. Defense Department to make a priority of upgrading the nuclear arsenal and expanding missile defenses, ostensibly to defend against a Chinese or Russian strategic nuclear attack.”
One of the biggest defenses for us having to “go easy” on Russia is because of them being a nuclear power
I can not see them sticking to their word.
I can see them being happy about us slowing down, cutting our military, and getting out of nato, though. I can see them being very happy about that
Doublestandards
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I would guess you’re absolutley right. We need to figure that out
Cutting our military budget would be absolutley fantastic for our budget, but we need to make sure it’s done responsibly
My biggest criticism of Bernie was his call for us reducing our military budget by significant amounts. I want to be sure it’s done correctly. It’s easy to say, and theoretically the right thing to do, but huge consequences if planned poorly
Is Russia in violation of the current START treaty? How much military are we cutting? Are we leaving NATO?
Doublestandards
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Trump Sticks It To Unions By Tapping Anti-Union Advocate To Run Labor Agency
Elisabeth Messenger, former CEO of Americans for Fair Treatment, would be tasked with making sure anti-union consultants disclose their work.
Doublestandards
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Trump proposed cutting it in half
Musk has recently come out in support of it, and as you’ve seen he is a prominent player and shot caller in maga now. I would not be surprised to see that discussion start picking up steam
Do you think we’ll cut our military spending in half if Russia and China don’t agree to verifiably cut their own in half?
Do you really think we’re leaving NATO?
catstalking
ie qt
Obama got burned by Clinton and Kerry on Libya and after Syria too was determined to never let them drag him into a war again“On Ukraine and America’s interest:
Obama declares Ukraine to be not a core American interest and that he is reluctant to intervene in the country, because Russia will always be able to maintain escalatory dominance there. “The fact is that Ukraine, which is a non-NATO country, is going to be vulnerable to military domination by Russia no matter what we do.”—President Obama”
The Obama Doctrine: Exclusive Report from The Atlantic's Jeffrey Goldberg
In the April issue cover story, Obama says he’s proud of not enforcing “red line” in Syria; rejects “the Washington playbook”; believes Middle East is unfixable, and Saudi Arabia needs to “share” the region with Iran; blames European “free riders” for mess of Libya; says Ukraine will always be...www.theatlantic.com
Weird.
Next Day Err
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This was always the goal. The White House meeting was an ambush and was planned as a pretext for pulling the rug out from Ukraine.Trump pauses aid to Ukraine after fiery meeting with Zelenskyy — Fox News
President Donald Trump has reportedly paused aid to Ukraine, following a contentious meeting with President Zelenskyy.
Europe generally is next. We’re throwing away 80 years of relationships that gave us so much power.
Thebrownblob
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Oh so the White House ambushed Zielinski? How would that be possible when Zelinski had agreed to sign the deal and reneged at the meeting? Why are you constantly wrong?
Next Day Err
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Nothing is done until the deal is signed.
Zelenskyy is fighting for his country’s survival. He wanted ironclad security assurances. He didn’t get it in writing. No signature. Can’t fault him for that.
Watch as we pull back from the rest of Europe, too.
Which democratic countries are you ready to see go undefended by the United States next? I guess it depends on which countries Trump seems to like that week, huh.
Next Day Err
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Russia is 1/20th the size of our EU friends. But we’re going to trade our friendships with those democracies to trade with Russia instead and empower an authoritarian killer with ambitions of empire.
If I were Latvia and Lithuania and Poland and Moldova right now I’d be very worried.
China has to be salivating. Taiwan is in trouble.
If I were Latvia and Lithuania and Poland and Moldova right now I’d be very worried.
China has to be salivating. Taiwan is in trouble.
Why not Estonia and Finland too? Do you know something we don't?
P.S. Moldova isn't in NATO.
Doublestandards
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Thebrownblob
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Your completely clueless on how negotiations work. It’s laughable. By that time the deal was done and honestly, there shouldn’t even been a meeting if he wasn’t going to sign, even Rubio should be worried about his job. Zielinski should’ve been a man and said I’m not interested Mr. President without more discussion. But he’s a punk and a little bitch so he didn’t.
I could care less what democratic countries we defend we’re not the worlds police. Pretty tired of everyone having their hand out to us.
