THE TRUMP 2024 THREAD

[Doublestandards]

We should have been realistic after the failure of the Ukrainian offensive in 2023 and worked toward an off ramp then.

What is the off ramp?

 

[Thebrownblob]

I believe the goal was to stop further invasion as much as possible and show Putin that there are consequences for his actions

If we did nothing he would have done more

How did that work out including when the Ukrainians getting their ass handed to them when they invaded Russia with troops?

 

[Darmark7]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1905671973482459290

Would be really bad for the president to get some softballs wouldn’t it

Next he will be given the questions to ask and the answers to read.

 

[Thebrownblob]

I believe the goal was to stop further invasion as much as possible and show Putin that there are consequences for his actions

If we did nothing he would have done more

The goal should’ve been to never allow Russia to invade Ukraine. That was the ultimate mistake of the Biden administration. They knew the Biden administration was a weak administration.. with a weak, old man as the leader. They could smell the blood in the water.

 

[Box Ox]

We should have been realistic after the failure of the Ukrainian offensive in 2023 and worked toward an off ramp then.

What is the off ramp?

Not sure what it'd be now but there was likely a better chance of being able to find one two years ago.

 

[Doublestandards]

The goal should’ve been to never allow Russia to invade Ukraine. That was the ultimate mistake of the Biden administration. They knew the Biden administration was a weak administration.. with a weak, old man as the leader. They could smell the blood in the water.

I never understood this. How would they have stopped the invasion? And biden is weak and they could smell blood in the water, but also they’re supplying too much and keeping the war going too long?

Those two statements contradict each other

 

[Box Ox]

There was never a goal. Or at the very least, not an achievable one.

I believe the goal was to stop further invasion as much as possible and show Putin that there are consequences for his actions

We helped Ukraine do that in 2022 and 2023. It should have ended there because we didn't materially increase our support after that and nothing has been gained by Ukraine since.

 

[Thebrownblob]

I never understood this. How would they have stopped the invasion? And biden is weak and they could smell blood in the water, but also they’re supplying too much and keeping the war going too long?

Those two statements contradict each other

Not at all, you just don’t understand how war works.

Putin was pretty confident Ukraine could never beat him even if the US supplied weapons and he was right.
Putin also calculated that no one would ever send any ground troops to help and he was right.

Putin knew Joe Biden was a geriatric old man

Putin respected Trump and also feared him because he had no idea what he would really do.


That is why the war started after Biden was elected.

Like Donald Trump or not elections have consequences and for Ukraine, they were extreme.

Putin calculated correctly. Personally, I believe the United States got exactly what they wanted to use Ukraine as bait.

The Biden administration never cared if Ukraine got their territory back, only that they did as much damage to Russia as possible while we watched.

 

[Doublestandards]

Not at all, you just don’t understand how war works.

I didn’t know you were an expert war general! Lol but You don’t need to say I don’t understand something anytime we disagree lol

Putin was pretty confident Ukraine could never beat him even if the US supplied weapons and he was right.
Putin also calculated that no one would ever send any ground troops to help and he was right.

Putin knew Joe Biden was a geriatric old man

Putin said this would be a 3 day mission. It’s been years now, he’s lost thousands and thousands of men, he’s hit with sanctions and he’s losing his oil contracts

Putin respected Trump and also feared him because he had no idea what he would really do.

Putin just made Trump wait on the phone for over an hour, I’m not sure how much he fears or respects him

But I think you’re simplifying this a bit much. Let’s hope no one ever invades a country under trumps watch, for multiple reasons, but also because it will then mean Biden was strong and Trump is weak and not respected. Well see

 

[Thebrownblob]

I didn’t know you were an expert war general! Lol but You don’t need to say I don’t understand something anytime we disagree lol

Putin said this would be a 3 day mission. It’s been years now, he’s lost thousands and thousands of men, he’s hit with sanctions and he’s losing his oil contracts


Putin just made Trump wait on the phone for over an hour, I’m not sure how much he fears or respects him

But I think you’re simplifying this a bit much. Let’s hope no one ever invades a country under trumps watch, for multiple reasons, but also because it will then mean Biden was strong and Trump is weak and not respected. Well see

Nothing personal, you just didn’t understand. Do you really think the sanctions hurt him? Do you really think he cares? Europe is still buying his oil and gas and he’s laughing.

Are you really gonna report a story you heard from the mainstream media about Trump waiting on the phone? Kinda silly.

It’s not oversimplification. When did the war start?

Joe Biden was a geriatric old man. With a diminished ability. This isn’t mean or me being rude. This is how it works. The Democrat party lived in a fantasy land. The left tried to pretend he wasn’t until they could no longer, but nobody else was fooled.

 

[Doublestandards]

Nothing personal, you just didn’t understand. Do you really think the sanctions hurt him? Do you really think he cares? Europe is still buying his oil and he’s laughing.

Are you really gonna report a story you heard from the mainstream media about Trump waiting on the phone? Kinda silly.

It’s not oversimplification. When did the war start?

Joe Biden was in geriatric old man. This isn’t mean or me being rude. This is how it works. The Democrat party lived in a fantasy land. The left tried to pretend he wasn’t until they could no longer, but nobody else was fooled.

Do you think Putin is happy about the west supplying all the weapons and extending the war for years? I just don’t understand how that makes it weak. It seems like double speak to me. And I don’t see how ending it sooner wouldn’t have been anything but good news for Putin

Also, what do you think Biden should have done to stop the invasion so he wouldn’t be considered weak? What would Trump have done that made Putin afraid to do it under Trump?

 

[Thebrownblob]

Do you think Putin is happy about the west supplying all the weapons and extending the war for years? I just don’t understand how that makes it weak. It seems like double speak to me. And I don’t see how ending it sooner wouldn’t have been anything but good news for Putin

Also, what do you think Biden should have done to stop the invasion so he wouldn’t be considered weak? What would Trump have done that made Putin afraid to do it under Trump?

If you knew anything about the Russian history, they have a long history of protracted wars, where they really don’t care about how many people die. They will just keep sending them. The Biden administration was the weak part. As soon as they were elected war was inevitable.

What should Joe Biden have done if you didn’t want the war to be started? Not be elected obviously.

What did Trump do for the four years he was an office?

The president before him Barack Obama also allowed Putin to invade. Do you see a pattern?

You might hate Trump and you might hate his domestic policy, but his foreign policy was much better then Joe Biden the world was on fire while Biden was in office.

 

[vantexan]

I never understood this. How would they have stopped the invasion? And biden is weak and they could smell blood in the water, but also they’re supplying too much and keeping the war going too long?

Those two statements contradict each other

He wouldn't have done it while Trump was president because he knew Trump would've immediately supplied the Ukrainians with everything needed to win decisively very quickly. Biden did drip drip drip on the weapons.

 

[MyTripisCut]

This is like listening to people who never played football in their lives be Monday Morning Quarterbacks.

 

[Thebrownblob]

This is like listening to people who never played football in their lives be Monday Morning Quarterbacks.

I was Monday morning, quarterbacking the first day lol. It was a disaster. Trump has plenty of other things. He was terrible at this was not one of them.

 

[Doublestandards]

If you knew anything about the Russian history, they have a long history of protracted wars, where they really don’t care about how many people die. They will just keep sending them. The Biden administration was the weak part. As soon as they were elected war was inevitable.

What should Joe Biden have done if you didn’t want the war to be started? Not be elected obviously.

What did Trump do for the four years he was an office?

The president before him Barack Obama also allowed Putin to invade. Do you see a pattern?

You might hate Trump and you might hate his domestic policy, but his foreign policy was much better then Joe Biden the world was on fire while Biden was in office.

I just don’t understand what Trump would have done differently that would have deterred Putin. I hear that point a lot

Would he have given even more weapons? Send American troops? Bomb Russia? I just don’t get that point is all

 

[Thebrownblob]

I just don’t understand what Trump would have done differently that would have deterred Putin. I hear that point a lot

Would he have given even more weapons? Send American troops? Bomb Russia? I just don’t get that point is all

Pretty sure Putin is not sure either

 

[Doublestandards]

Pretty sure Putin is not sure either

If Trump isn’t doing it now why would he do it then?

I just don’t understand it man, it’s not just you I’m talking to cuz I’ve heard this point a lot

But conservative talking point is we shouldn’t be involved Russia is a nuclear power start world war 3 and what not, but then we give trump credit and say Trump would have stopped the invasion. But how?!

We’re criticizing the west for supplying weapons so can’t say he would do that

We’re very against sending troops so he wouldn’t go that
They’re a nuclear power and that’s the big point so I highly doubt Trump would have bombed Russia for invading Ukraine

Just seems like a weak point to me is all.

I can understand not supporting sending Ukraine weapons, but I can’t understand saying Trump would have stopped it

 

[Thebrownblob]

If Trump isn’t doing it now why would he do it then?

I just don’t understand it man, it’s not just you I’m talking to cuz I’ve heard this point a lot

But conservative talking point is we shouldn’t be involved Russia is a nuclear power start world war 3 and what not, but then we give trump credit and say Trump would have stopped the invasion. But how?!

We’re criticizing the west for supplying weapons so can’t say he would do that

We’re very against sending troops so he wouldn’t go that
They’re a nuclear power and that’s the big point so I highly doubt Trump would have bombed Russia for invading Ukraine

Just seems like a weak point to me is all.

I can understand not supporting sending Ukraine weapons, but I can’t understand saying Trump would have stopped it

Really can’t stuff the genie back in the bottle at this point. You can’t make a mess of something and then say hey why can’t this guy clean it up now? Lol not how it works.

 

[MyTripisCut]

If Trump isn’t doing it now why would he do it then?



I can understand not supporting sending Ukraine weapons, but I can’t understand saying Trump would have stopped it

It’s simple. He wouldn’t do anything. He was president the entire time the war in the Donbas region was going on. He didn’t stop that and it was small time compared to this. He can’t stop anything is the bottom line.