Next Day Err
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This is it. Trump’s not a fiscal conservative. Should be plain to anyone.
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Thebrownblob
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I never thought he was. He leans conservative on some social issues. But governs a lot more liberal.
oldngray
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He is kind of like an old school Democrat from before that party shifted far to the left. I would call him a populist more than anything else.
Thebrownblob
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Massie is the guy who actually takes these giant bills home and reads them! This absolutely frightens most politicians. He does not subscribe to the Nancy Pelosi school of “let’s pass it to see what’s in it”.
Can't get at Trump one way so you, liberal Democrat that you are, try to convince others Trump isn't conservative enough. Chutzpah.
Next Day Err
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What was his 2017-2021 record on spending and debt?
In his first three years he spent about half of what Biden did in his first three. Covid spending broke the bank in his fourth year.
Thebrownblob
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And during Covid, everyone went nuts and lost their minds, including Trump. maybe he snapped out of it quicker, but he still did lots of damage.
Next Day Err
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Musk calling Sen. Mark Kelly a "traitor" for supporting Ukraine over Russia? Goodness. How thin is this guy's skin??
Thebrownblob
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Mark Kelly is a punk who would love to take your constitutional rights away. Elon might be thin skinned , but he’s not wrong here.
Next Day Err
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He's a punk? A decorated combat veteran who put his life on the line is a punk? Tell me about Musk's military service in South Africa or Trump's military service in the U.S. first.
Darmark7
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Another great day ahead for some to spend thinking of our great president all day, all night and into the early morning. Hope all you have a great day! Off I go to enjoy day 1592 of retirement.
I’ll leave you with something to brighten everyone’s morning.
I’ll leave you with something to brighten everyone’s morning.
Thebrownblob
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Yep. Anyone who thinks taking away Americans constitutional rights is a good idea is a punk. Pretty sure I said the same thing when Trump’ said “take the guns and do the due process later”. Being a war hero does not make you right all the time. Just like not being one doesn’t make you wrong all the time.
Hindsight is always 20/20 but he could only go on what he was being told. Took awhile for a clearer picture of the virus to emerge. He didn't have much choice but to spend to keep the economy afloat with most of the country shut down by governors.
Next Day Err
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Total Federal Spending Outlays per Fiscal Year under Trump
- FY 2017: $3.98 trillion
- FY 2018: $4.11 trillion
- FY 2019: $4.45 trillion
- FY 2008: $2.98 trillion
- FY 2009: $3.52 trillion (Stimulus spending due to the Great Recession)
- FY 2010: $3.46 trillion
- FY 2011: $3.60 trillion
- FY 2012: $3.54 trillion
- FY 2013: $3.45 trillion (Sequestration cuts took effect)
- FY 2014: $3.65 trillion
- FY 2015: $3.69 trillion
Thebrownblob
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But he could’ve listened to Thomas Massie. I’m saying you go with a guy who has a track record of understanding these situations even in times of panic and trouble. Panicking or making rash choices quickly never helps anyone in the long run.
Now Trump’s gonna do the same thing he tried to do in 2020 to Thomas Massie? What it they say about Democrats who do the same things over and over again that it’s the definition of insanity?
Next Day Err
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He wants common sense legislation. The courts could then figure out what's Constitutional and what's not like everything else. He's not called for an outright ban on high-capacity magazines, for example, only a higher barrier to access these items. I don't see a problem and neither do most Americans. But I'm sure now you'll argue with me about what Americans want and don't want and ignore the fact that you used the same "popularity" argument on me about other issues lately.
Thebrownblob
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I have no idea what Americans do or don’t want, but I do know any American who wants to infringe on their own rights is a fool. Just like you.
If Ukraine is anything, it’s a perfect example of how you don’t give up an essential liberty to be able to defend yourself to be taken care of by someone else. Now they’re going to pay for it no one is going to save them they will only do what benefits their own interests.
I’ve never used any popularity issue in regards to the constitution. It’s not for debate or popularity.
The constitutions job is to protect us from “popular” things.
If you honestly believe that, I believe you have any idea what “common senses” is you are sadly mistaken.
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Is Massie a virologist? The only thing we knew in 2020 was a lot of people were dying in China. That people from Italy who visited Wuhan brought the virus back and it was killing a lot of Italians. We didn't know at that point who was the most vulnerable. We could have been facing a Spanish Flu type pandemic. Massie could see a lot of spending happening and he is adamantly against that. It was prudent to take precautions. The biggest problem was many of the governors refused to relinquish their new found power. Played favorites and often were hypocrites themselves while they kept the boot on their constituents' necks.
Thebrownblob
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I guess you kind of made my point he’s not a virologist, but he is a real conservative. he understood that regardless of what was being said spending the money like this would’ve been the wrong thing to do and somehow he was right.
So he has a track record of being able to understand these situations. Trump has a record of understanding other situations, but when it comes to money, it’s a little shaky.
