wkmac
Well-Known Member
I know you want to help diesel out but he claims to have checked national intelligence reports and know the location of someone I would like to meet. You can put this in whatever color you like but it still is not a national intelligence report. Someone could be telling a fib to try and make a point. I would say also that the national intelligence estimate is a much different thing than the national intellingence report.
For AQI to be a rouse the sure can put up a pretty good fight. I would say they even put up a stronger fight than the democrats in congress. Hey maybe they are a rouse also.
You are correct, the NIE is much different than the NIR. A Goggle search under the search criteria of "National Intelligence Report" only had one item with the actual words of National Intelligence Report and here's the link.
http://www.ioma.com/issues/NIR/
Do you think Diesel was backward masking for Universal Healthcare?
As far as I know or can find, there in no such document released to the public under that name. Diesel may have done like most even in the media and referred to the NIE as the "National Intelligence Report" which by name is not accurate. The NIE is a report put together by the Office of Director on National Intelligence and given to POTUS.
Even the POTUS referred to the NIE as an "intelligence report" on 09/26/07 during a WH press conference with Afghan President Karzai.
http://www.fas.org/irp/news/2006/09/wh092606.html
The ODNI is a Presidential appointee and therefore it would be assumed to hold some leverage to not only provide the best analyst of intel from the various gov't sources but also to the public at large in their various public releases. The "Report" stated that there is a growing problem with Al Qaeda along the Afghan frontier and from just general reading that seems to be a rather popular consensus. Are you contending based on info that you have by your position in the military that we should disregard what the ODNI is saying and accept your contention about Mideast affairs as being true? Hey, if you do and can share without violating any law I'm all ears and will gladly listen and change if the facts point in said direction. I had an open mind with Iraq back in 03' as it was a known Saddam was a bad boy but over time and looking at facts I've had to re-evalute and change from that position. I still beleive we did the right thing in kicking the Taliban out of Afghanistan but I also agree with folks like Ron Paul that it was piss poor foreign policy that got us there. Why keep making the same mistakes over and over again?
I'm gonna guess at this point you think the latest NIE on Iran is full of it too? I'm all ears if you have something to the contrary that we should consider.
As for strenght of al-qaeda on the financial side, you are 100% correct. We've done a good job of clamping down on that part and my guess is part of the reason we've not seen large scale events like so many have expected. However let me add this to consider. Strength is never totally measured in pure dollars and cents, it's measured by the lenght of how far the people who beleive in the cause will go and we know from 9/11 what that answer is. What you must also worry on is doing things that give appearance to legitimacy of people like Osama and Al-Qaeda.
There was a fellow showed up on the scene and talking all kind of crazy nonsense to the larger society but to his dedicated followers it made perfect sense. The governing power did managed to capture and execute the seditious traditor who caused civil unrest but overtime his followers remained steadfast, even to their own death seen by many in the public as examples to not follow their course. Did it qwell the movement? Not hardly, it grew to be one of the most dominate religious faiths on the planet that we call Christianity!
When you got nothing to lose and everything to gain, people are funny and will follow very surprising personas and against unbelievable odds. We don't speak the King's english today because of a few nutjobs in the 1700's who by all accounts had the English won would likely be viewed in history of the same scale as a Osama bin Laden. Funny how victor's always write the history!