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[rickyb]

Prisons are not slavery so there is no issue of justification.

you said:
They put themselves into prison by committing crimes. Any wages they get while they are getting free housing and healthcare are irrelevant. Nothing do do with slavery in any way.

its sounds like your saying because they get free housing and healthcare, they can work for no wage.

 

[oldngray]

you said:
They put themselves into prison by committing crimes. Any wages they get while they are getting free housing and healthcare are irrelevant. Nothing do do with slavery in any way.

its sounds like your saying because they get free housing and healthcare, they can work for no wage.

What they are doing isn't working for normal wages. They lost many rights when they were convicted of crimes. If you can't do the time don't do the crime.

 

[rickyb]

What they are doing isn't working for normal wages. They lost many rights when they were convicted of crimes. If you can't do the time don't do the crime.

ill say again, some private slave masters also housed their slaves...

but anyways, thats your story and your sticking to it that all american slaves are paid a wage per hour lol

 

[IVE GOTTA PACKAGE 4U]

ill say again, some private slave masters also housed their slaves...

but anyways, thats your story and your sticking to it that all american slaves are paid a wage per hour lol

Too bad your mother didn't use birth control. Isn't that free in Canada?

 

[oldngray]

 

[newfie]

well the prison slave labor in america is an example about government run slavery. and i am saying if that is true, then theres also government run capitalism and private run capitalism.

I don't see the bridge.

We have prisons in all form of countries including those that are not capitalistic.

it does not equate to government run capitalism. There is no profit in prisons and there is no free market in the prison industry.

where is your connection?

I am wondering if this is really your opinion or if you read it somewhere and adopted this answer without really thinking it through?

 

[rickyb]

i am saying modern day slavery in american prisons is an example of government run slavery and it is very profitable. there are many other examples of government run slavery. so there are 2 types of slavery: privately run slavery, and government run slavery.

there were markets in slavery, feudalism, socialism, and capitalism. markets are not unique to capitalism. profits are not unique to capitalism either.

now regarding capitalism, there is privately run capitalism, and there is government run capitalism where the government profits.

 

[oldngray]

rofl! Prisons are profitable? Quote a source that supports that claim. It is quite the opposite. Prisons are a huge drain on taxpayers.

 

[newfie]

Prisons are not slavery so there is no issue of justification.

i am saying modern day slavery in american prisons is an example of government run slavery and it is very profitable. there are many other examples of government run slavery. so there are 2 types of slavery: privately run slavery, and government run slavery.

there were markets in slavery, feudalism, socialism, and capitalism. markets are not unique to capitalism. profits are not unique to capitalism either.

now regarding capitalism, there is privately run capitalism, and there is government run capitalism where the government profits.

You still trying to create something here to fit a narrative
Which government is currently profiting here?

 

[UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)]

rofl! Prisons are profitable? Quote a source that supports that claim. It is quite the opposite. Prisons are a huge drain on taxpayers.

Private prisons are profitable.

 

[rickyb]

You still trying to create something here to fit a narrative
Which government is currently profiting here?

forget about the prison example. i think you get the point that there are private slavery, and government controlled slavery.



"Different forms of societal socialisms will emerge: some with markets, private property and large corporations, and others with centralized and/or decentralized planning systems, socialized property, constraints on enterprise size etc. Debates, experiments and choices among them will likely characterize the multiple forms that socialism will take.

Previous economic systems likewise often displayed coexistences among more or less regulated private enterprises and state enterprises. In slave societies, for example, alongside the private masters of slaves working on plantations, states often owned and operated slave plantations. In feudal societies, private feudal manors interacted with the feudal manors operated by kings, to take a European example. In short, slavery and feudalism, like capitalism, display varying combinations of private and state enterprises."

 

[BakerMayfield2018]

I'm voting for him........

 

[oldngray]

Private prisons are profitable.

He was referring to government slavery which wouldn't be privately run.

 

[rickyb]

rofl! Prisons are profitable? Quote a source that supports that claim. It is quite the opposite. Prisons are a huge drain on taxpayers.

the private prison companies are even traded on stock exchanges.

http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/the_prison_state_of_america_20141228

he covered the 13th Amendment which as a conservative you refused to quote:

"Our prison-industrial complex, which holds 2.3 million prisoners, or 25 percent of the world’s prison population, makes money by keeping prisons full. It demands bodies, regardless of color, gender or ethnicity. As the system drains the pool of black bodies, it has begun to incarcerate others. Women—the fastest-growing segment of the prison population—are swelling prisons, as are poor whites in general, Hispanics and immigrants. Prisons are no longer a black-white issue. Prisons are a grotesque manifestation of corporate capitalism. Slavery is legal in prisons under the 13th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution. It reads: “Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States. …” And the massive U.S. prison industry functions like the forced labor camps that have existed in all totalitarian states. "

 

[rickyb]

He was referring to government slavery which wouldn't be privately run.

well, if you dont pay someone a wage for labor that fits my definition of slavery.

 

[oldngray]

the private prison companies are even traded on stock exchanges.

http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/the_prison_state_of_america_20141228

he covered the 13th Amendment which as a conservative you refused to quote:

"Our prison-industrial complex, which holds 2.3 million prisoners, or 25 percent of the world’s prison population, makes money by keeping prisons full. It demands bodies, regardless of color, gender or ethnicity. As the system drains the pool of black bodies, it has begun to incarcerate others. Women—the fastest-growing segment of the prison population—are swelling prisons, as are poor whites in general, Hispanics and immigrants. Prisons are no longer a black-white issue. Prisons are a grotesque manifestation of corporate capitalism. Slavery is legal in prisons under the 13th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution. It reads: “Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States. …” And the massive U.S. prison industry functions like the forced labor camps that have existed in all totalitarian states. "

You quoted a guy's opinion which is very much in error. And before you mentioned 14th Amendment, not 13th. Try to keep your story straight.

 

[rickyb]

rofl! Prisons are profitable? Quote a source that supports that claim. It is quite the opposite. Prisons are a huge drain on taxpayers.

yea your right in the sense that you can pay for free college for the cost of 1 prisoner for a year. One year at Princeton University: $37,000. One year at a New Jersey state prison: $44,000.

 

[oldngray]

well, if you dont pay someone a wage for labor that fits my definition of slavery.

"Your definition" means nothing. The rest of the world has defined slavery otherwise.

 

[BakerMayfield2018]

yea your right in the sense that you can pay for free college for the cost of 1 prisoner for a year. One year at Princeton University: $37,000. One year at a New Jersey state prison: $44,000.

Where did you get your info?

 

[rickyb]

You quoted a guy's opinion which is very much in error. And before you mentioned 14th Amendment, not 13th. Try to keep your story straight.

sorry i learned it from you lol.

but if a state owned prison doesnt pay its prison laborers a wage, then thats slavery.