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newfie

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Since you bring up your guy "Mr. Trump"


EVERYDAY MONEY FEDERAL STUDENT LOANS
Donald Trump Says The Government Profits on Student Debt. Is That True?


Sept. 22, 2015

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Darren McCollester—Getty ImagesRepublican Presidential candidate Donald Trump speaks during a town hall event at Rochester Recreational Arena September 17, 2015 in Rochester, New Hampshire.
A closer look at what the GOP frontrunner said about student loans on Twitter.


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As part of a Twitter campaign that Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump launched on Monday (#AskTrump), the GOP-frontrunner addressed the hot-button issue of student loan burdens.

About $100 billion of more than $1 trillion in student loan debt is in default, according to the Government Accountability Office.

Trump said he’d “fix” the problem. He didn’t offer any details, but did make this surprising claim: The U.S. government is turning a profit on student loans.




Trump said:

Right now, it’s not fair. It’s one of the only places, frankly, where our country actually makes money. And they make a lot of money. And that should not take place.

Is that right? Does the government actually make money off of student loans? The official answer is yes. But there’s an asterisk. A private lending business wouldn’t do accounting like the federal government.

At the simplest level, if profit simply means that the government expects to bring in more from student loans than it pays out, then student loans are indeed a gain for taxpayers. According to Congressional Budget Office estimates, over the next decade the four largest student loan programs will yield budget savings of $135 billion. Helping students pay for college doesn’t add to the deficit, but reduces it.

That makes sense: The Federal government can borrow at a very low rate—a bit over 2%—and then charges borrowers a higher interest rate of more than 4%. Even assuming some expected defaults, that’s enough to leave the loan programs in the black.

But Jason Delisle, director of the Federal Education Budget Project at The New America Foundation, says that the accounting practices that the government uses here (by law) wouldn’t be used in the private sector. “If Donald Trump used the accounting method that the federal government uses to calculate loans, he’d be subject to serious fines, his businesses would go under,” says Delisle.

The CBO itself has suggested a more “comprehensive” way to calculate to cost of its loan programs. It would show that instead of earning taxpayers $135 billion over ten years, student loans actually cost about $88 billion. Here’s why: Not only are some people likely to default on loans over time, but they are especially likely to do so when the economy is in trouble. For a private lending business, that possibility—the CBO calls it market risk—is something you’d need to account for. So a private business would likely demand higher rates than the government does.

“On average, the Federal government will come out ahead on the loans,” says Delisle. “But the issue is that no one invests on average, everyone hedges for the bad times.”

If this all seems wonky—it is!—here’s a simple way to think about it. On average, the government comes out ahead on student loans. But at the same time, it is still lending to students at a rate you’d be hard pressed to get from a bank. So the profit doesn’t necessarily mean students are getting a raw deal.

Federal student loan borrowers also get “favorable repayment options and consumer protections” that aren’t available in private-sector loans, says the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities. (However, student loans are difficult to discharge in bankruptcy court.)

How much federal loans should cost or gain the government is certainly debatable. One point of running student loans through the government is that the U.S. Treasury can handle risks private businesses cannot.

But perhaps the real reason student loans burdens are so high isn’t that borrowers are paying high rates—it’s that fast-rising tuition has pushed so many students to borrow in the first place.

Sorry i'm not doing any extra credit right now.
 

DriveInDriveOut

Inordinately Right
So you are saying that me reading the useless drivel you post will convert me to vote democratic?
The real question is, why does a person like you who is supposedly against people leeching off the government, continue to vote for a political party that has repeatedly proven to be completely inept (or uninterested) at actually stopping that problem?
 

rickyb

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Washington post article and quote from it:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...government-does-not-profit-off-student-loans/

"But just about all these plans have one feature in common: they set the interest rate on student loans below the market rate. And because they're below the market rate, that costs the federal government money. Contrary to popular belief, and many a breathless article, the government does not, in fact, book a profit on student loans."

i think they do. liz warren says they do.
 

rickyb

Well-Known Member
what you fail to understand is that government ownership of the process negates it as free enterprise.

well anyways i liked how your definition mentioned capitalism, cooperatives, and state controlled wealth. proves theres more than one alternative to capitalism, and state socialism.
 

BrownArmy

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Get your tinfoil hats on:

Trump is actually a closet flaming-Democrat-Liberal who is in the Presidential election just to prove a point, that Republicans are morons who will back the most xenophobic and racist candidate ever.

To take this conspiracy theory further:

Trump plans to lock up the Republican nomination, causing a divided Republican Caucus, and when the 'will of the people' triumphs over the 'establishment' king-makers, Trump will roll into the general election as the Republican candidate.

Where he will promptly lose, and take many Congressional seats down with him.

His master plan all along!

Lulz.

(tinfoil session over...)

Trump is not to be taken very seriously - he's an entertainer - when his poll numbers flag, he says something ridiculous, and it works - he gets free press, his poll numbers rise back up, and he lives another day.

At first I thought this was just a vanity play...I never thought Trump was a serious candidate, but he's such a narcissist that he might even believe that he has a shot at actually winning.

Only in America do we consistently refuse to learn from history.
 

newfie

Well-Known Member
Get your tinfoil hats on:

Trump is actually a closet flaming-Democrat-Liberal who is in the Presidential election just to prove a point, that Republicans are morons who will back the most xenophobic and racist candidate ever.

To take this conspiracy theory further:

Trump plans to lock up the Republican nomination, causing a divided Republican Caucus, and when the 'will of the people' triumphs over the 'establishment' king-makers, Trump will roll into the general election as the Republican candidate.

Where he will promptly lose, and take many Congressional seats down with him.

His master plan all along!

Lulz.

(tinfoil session over...)

Trump is not to be taken very seriously - he's an entertainer - when his poll numbers flag, he says something ridiculous, and it works - he gets free press, his poll numbers rise back up, and he lives another day.

At first I thought this was just a vanity play...I never thought Trump was a serious candidate, but he's such a narcissist that he might even believe that he has a shot at actually winning.

Only in America do we consistently refuse to learn from history.

yep go trump
 

rickyb

Well-Known Member
My fear with Donald is not that he is a facist but that he will prove to be a flaming liberal if he gets elected. His history indicates that may be where his heart has been in the past.

Other then that I like the way he is stirring things up. Do you really want politicians that take polls and then tell you what you want to hear?

yea i think trump is of a questionable moral character, but i think hes less of a liar than all the other politicians aside from bernie sanders. but if he turns into a `flaming liberal`you can always protest and pressure him to follow through on his campaign promises.

i also think part of the reason the mainstream corporate media called him a fascist was a conspiracy to get him to lose support, because as you well know hes not part of hte establishment.
 

newfie

Well-Known Member
I find it ironic that Trump supporters don't realize he's just in it for himself...

You and I could debate whether or not he's serious, but the 'solutions' he's promising are unworkable, unconstitutional, and frankly ridiculous.

all candidates are in it for themselves.

The nice thing about Trump is he is a lot more honest about it.
 

rickyb

Well-Known Member
North korea?
cooperatives are right in america, and many developed so called capitalist countries.

the truth is many economic systems operate within 1 country at the same time. so america has state socialism, capitalism, cooperatives (or real socialism as i would describe it), slavery in parts of immokalee florida and god knows where else
 
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