rod
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Trump Tariffs has Countries ready to retaliate?
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Probably not nearly as much (if at all) as the fake "Tariffs charged to the USA" percentages in that chart suggest. Your question is a good one. Hopefully the Trump administration will also release a chart of the actual, real life tariff rates that those countries apply to our exports.
El Correcto
god is dead
Who do you think pays tariffs?
tourists24
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We both know Trump won't do that. It's going to be someone else to lay out the "correct" numbers. Then will we be able to trust their numbers are the correct ones? lol
Ben Shapiro on this issue during his show today:
“I've said this a thousand times, this is not coming from a place of I want Trump to fail.
It's coming from a place of if he engineers a recession, based on these sorts of tariffs, which seems increasingly likely if you were to stick with this. If you were to do that sort of thing, all of the amazing things that need to happen that he is pursuing and that his administration is filled with good people who want to do, all that stuff goes by the wayside. A bad economy kills everything around it.
It is the neutron bomb of politics. If you drop the neutron bomb of politics, a recession into the lap of this administration, it doesn't just destroy this administration's economic agenda, it destroys the administration wholesale. That is what happens in American politics.
Recessions destroy administrations. And by the way, everyone close to them, all the tech bros get destroyed. All the business people get destroyed.
It's really important not to self-engineer a bad economy. Really quite important. It's, it is frustrating at the very least because this has not been well justified by literally anyone, including members of the Trump administration.”
“I've said this a thousand times, this is not coming from a place of I want Trump to fail.
It's coming from a place of if he engineers a recession, based on these sorts of tariffs, which seems increasingly likely if you were to stick with this. If you were to do that sort of thing, all of the amazing things that need to happen that he is pursuing and that his administration is filled with good people who want to do, all that stuff goes by the wayside. A bad economy kills everything around it.
It is the neutron bomb of politics. If you drop the neutron bomb of politics, a recession into the lap of this administration, it doesn't just destroy this administration's economic agenda, it destroys the administration wholesale. That is what happens in American politics.
Recessions destroy administrations. And by the way, everyone close to them, all the tech bros get destroyed. All the business people get destroyed.
It's really important not to self-engineer a bad economy. Really quite important. It's, it is frustrating at the very least because this has not been well justified by literally anyone, including members of the Trump administration.”
I wonder why two of our closest allies, South Korea and Japan, charge such high import duties and tariffs on American made cars that you won't see American cars on their streets? It's not just about what they're charging in tariffs. It's the protectionism that keeps our producers out of a lot of markets. We grow a lot of rice in the U.S. Bet the Japanese aren't buying our rice. Free markets are a two way street. The pain we're likely to feel for awhile is what we'll have to endure to get everything in balance. If we continue as is we'll be continuing to see the American middle class erode and our national debt continue to rise. It's unsustainable. So pain now or pain eventually.
The Trump administration should be using real export tariff numbers if they've got a legitimate tariff argument to make. Not making up fake ones.
tourists24
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Assuming we actually know the correct numbers. Trump loves the chaos. My guess he does know the real numbers and doing what he feels is correct in his mind. I'm not convinced it's the right thing he's doing, but I think he knows his strategy.
Over70irregs
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Country clash is the psyop part. Try to use flag waving. Kinda like guys who drive flaggy trucks.
This is the start of a radical plan to rewrite the global economy.But who is saying they are fake?
The fact that the "Tariffs Charged to the USA" in that chart were calculated as (exports - imports)/imports . Trade deficit divided by imports.
And all the protectionism that keeps a lot of our products out of countries? Canada, South Korea, and Japan are as developed if not more so than we are. Might say they have a larger percentage of their population in the middle class. And I'm not hearing these countries claim there's no tariffs on our products. How come Germany protects their auto industry against ours? How come when the Germans build a factory here it just to get around the chicken tax? 100% of that car assembled in Tennessee was manufactured in Germany or in a EU partner. Let's see if they'll let GM do that in Germany(they won't).
The benefits of trying to get foreign car manufacturers to change their ways will probably be far outweighed by the costs.
I'll appreciate every day that our government is free of leftist insanity while I can. If Trump and the Republicans tank our economy the leftists will be voted back in for sure.
You're probably right. Trump has got a little over a year til the midterms. He's either going to look like a genius or a fool. I'm betting on a lot of these countries opening up their economies to our products and building more factories here. Trump already has about $6 trillion in pledged investment in the U.S.
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tourists24
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True for sure. But Trump is going to do this. I always ask people to give every new president one full year to get their stuff in place before making judgement of a direction of success or failure.
Not buying all of this junk from China we pay ourselves. With products made in America. It'll make things made in China over prices. A win win for us.
Lineandinitial
Legio patria nostra
We can count on the Made in USA products to be superior to those made anywhere else…
Crosscutters
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You mean Trump is lying?
Pullman Brown
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It would be easy to dismiss yesterday’s announcement as dry, economic arcana — tariffs, trade deficits, bilateral agreements, country-by-country charts, and economic reports. But don’t be fooled by all the paperwork. What Trump did wasn’t just a historic across-the-board trade action.
It was a once-in-a-century power shift.
To understand how truly historic it was, look back to Bretton Woods, 1944 — the postwar deal where America agreed to carry the world’s economic burdens in exchange for geopolitical dominance.
After the devastation of WWII, the United States promised to help rebuild Europe and Japan, by opening our previously protected markets to foreign goods, keeping our tariffs low to nonexistent, providing the world’s reserve currency, and underwriting global security with American military power.
In return, other countries were supposed to gradually liberalize their economies, buy American goods, and play by the rules. But they never did.
Instead, they took our postwar deal —designed to help them— and ran with it. They piled up tariffs, non-tariff barriers, VAT taxes, and trade cheats while the U.S. kept its markets wide open.
For decades, the American working class footed the bill while foreign economies fattened themselves, and American elites made billions facilitating and perpetuating the grift. That was globalism. It’s not an ideology— it is a business model. And Trump just crushed the model.
He didn’t just slap tariffs on a few industries, as has always been done before. Instead, he: Imposed the first across-the-board tariff on all imports in modern U.S. history (with certain exceptions).
Reversed the postwar deal by demanding reciprocity rather than charity.
Linked trade to national security, manufacturing independence, and economic sovereignty.
Gave himself a live, adjustable tariff dashboard to pressure every foreign government, one-on-one.
In short, Trump didn’t “adjust policy” — he dismantled Bretton Woods.
For the first time since 1945, the United States is no longer offering up its consumer market as a global welfare program. Trump’s not playing the age-old game of whack-a-mole, with its endless unproductive diplomacy, swanky secret summits in Alpine resorts, and backroom G7 handshakes.
No, he’s negotiating right out in the open. Holding a sledgehammer of tariffs, leverage, and a crystal clear message: Open your markets to us, or pay dearly for access to ours.
That is why foreign governments, corporate media, and the parasite class are howling. The postwar free ride is over. The host finally vomited up the parasite. And the Bretton Woods era is finally finished.
Jeff Childers
It was a once-in-a-century power shift.
To understand how truly historic it was, look back to Bretton Woods, 1944 — the postwar deal where America agreed to carry the world’s economic burdens in exchange for geopolitical dominance.
After the devastation of WWII, the United States promised to help rebuild Europe and Japan, by opening our previously protected markets to foreign goods, keeping our tariffs low to nonexistent, providing the world’s reserve currency, and underwriting global security with American military power.
In return, other countries were supposed to gradually liberalize their economies, buy American goods, and play by the rules. But they never did.
Instead, they took our postwar deal —designed to help them— and ran with it. They piled up tariffs, non-tariff barriers, VAT taxes, and trade cheats while the U.S. kept its markets wide open.
For decades, the American working class footed the bill while foreign economies fattened themselves, and American elites made billions facilitating and perpetuating the grift. That was globalism. It’s not an ideology— it is a business model. And Trump just crushed the model.
He didn’t just slap tariffs on a few industries, as has always been done before. Instead, he: Imposed the first across-the-board tariff on all imports in modern U.S. history (with certain exceptions).
Reversed the postwar deal by demanding reciprocity rather than charity.
Linked trade to national security, manufacturing independence, and economic sovereignty.
Gave himself a live, adjustable tariff dashboard to pressure every foreign government, one-on-one.
In short, Trump didn’t “adjust policy” — he dismantled Bretton Woods.
For the first time since 1945, the United States is no longer offering up its consumer market as a global welfare program. Trump’s not playing the age-old game of whack-a-mole, with its endless unproductive diplomacy, swanky secret summits in Alpine resorts, and backroom G7 handshakes.
No, he’s negotiating right out in the open. Holding a sledgehammer of tariffs, leverage, and a crystal clear message: Open your markets to us, or pay dearly for access to ours.
That is why foreign governments, corporate media, and the parasite class are howling. The postwar free ride is over. The host finally vomited up the parasite. And the Bretton Woods era is finally finished.
Jeff Childers
If he does end up looking like a fool, every congressional Republican in a potential swing district could be defeated by their blue-haired opponent in the midterms.
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