Trump Tariffs has Countries ready to retaliate?

[newfie]

No it’s not funny, it’s stupid. I was mocking your dumb point

Why would you want to tax consumers and get nothing out of it? We instead could have gotten that money from taxes and let the Republican controlled Congress choose where it went

Instead now we’re taxing the consumers up to 50% and it benefits absolutely no one and we get nothing from it except higher prices

Chuck Schumer, October 5, 2005 (Senate Floor Remarks):
"China’s trade practices are a glaring example of unfairness—high tariffs on our exports, currency manipulation, and a flood of cheap goods into our markets. We’re losing jobs and industries because we don’t demand reciprocity. It’s time to level the field."

 

[bottomups]

buy american and avoid the user tax

Naive to think that even products made in the US won't increase in price also. ers will just charge a bit less than a foreign made product.

 

[newfie]

So we wouldn't have an income tax but we would have permanent tariffs and a consumption tax in its place? Would the consumption tax also replace state/local sales tax or be in addition to it?

Trump supporters have had theories about what Trump is doing. Shouldn't he be the one explaining what he's doing?

he has. you have to listen or read his speech and pressers. He's out there every day talking to the press sometimes twice a day. he's been talking about this stuff the whole time.

 

[newfie]

Suddenly the People who can’t pay their Student Loans back
are experts on Tariffs and the Stock Market…

funny how that works

 

[newfie]

Naive to think that even products made in the US won't increase in price also. ers will just charge a bit less than a foreign made product.

never said that but american aint going up 50 percent or anywhere near it. the other side of this the panic mongers here forget is we did this under trump one and prices did not go up and instead inflation was at record lows.
why you might ask because suprisingly china needs to sell us their crap and they found ways to keep their prices low.

 

[bottomups]

sorry i have answered that i guess you forgot , because you answered my answer

trumps working toward his plan to elect more funding from foriegn trade and less from the taxpayer. try to keep up . i wont be able to advance you to the next grade if you cant retain what i taught you in this one.

That taxpayer/consumer is ultimately paying the tariff. Tariffs are nothing but a tax increase on us minions. ing joke they are trying to pass them off as being paid by foreign countries.

 

[newfie]

That taxpayer/consumer is ultimately paying the tariff. Tariffs are nothing but a tax increase on us minions. ing joke they are trying to pass them off as being paid by foreign countries.

that could be an outcome for whatever high tariffs are left after all the negotiations.
keep in mind all countries want to sell their goods in the US the number one economy.
no one will buy their goods if the tariffs on them stay high.
they will have to negotiate lower tariffs and remove trade barriers to us to get those tariffs lowered.
that helps our manufacturing, farmers and ranchers , it creates more jobs for us.
businesses will be building more plants here to avoid those tariffs that will also help our economy.
the end result after all the negoatiations is this country will do much better

 

[newfie]

You can’t seem to grasp that it doesn’t make sense for it to be all of the above. If the goal of the tariffs is to get free trade then why would companies bring manufacturing here?

If the goal of tariffs is to eliminate income tax, then how could that be possible while also attaining free trade?

How can he use tariffs as a bargaining tool to strength the border if he also needs to keep the tariffs in place to replace income tax and encourage manufacturing here?

James Hoffa Jr., Former Teamsters President (commenting as a prominent union figure): In an interview on April 4, 2025, with Bloomberg, Hoffa, though no longer leading the Teamsters, weighed in on Trump’s tariffs, saying, “The idea of hitting back at countries that’ve been dumping cheap goods here for years—it’s something we’ve screamed about forever. Trump’s doing it, and that’s a win for workers who’ve lost jobs to bad trade deals.” This isn’t an official Teamsters stance but reflects a notable union voice supporting the tariff logic, especially as it aligns with protecting trucking and manufacturing jobs.

 

[bottomups]

Suddenly the People who can’t pay their Student Loans back
are experts on Tariffs and the Stock Market…

Same can be said of the farmers who can't pay back their loans without another massive government bailout.

 

[Thebrownblob]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1908392805841371225

 

[newfie]

I thought he was raising tariffs to eliminate the income tax?

Or was it to stop the flow of fentanyl?

Or I thought it was to eliminate unfair tariffs against us and get free trade back?


How is it that everyone is saying different things, including him, when these points all contradict each other?

Randi Weingarten, President of the American Federation of Teachers (AFT): On March 31, 2025, Weingarten posted on X, “Tariffs can be a blunt tool, but when they protect American jobs—like in steel or autos—it’s hard to argue against the intent. Trump’s not wrong to push back on trade imbalances, even if we don’t see eye-to-eye on everything.” This is a nuanced take—not a full endorsement—but it’s a rare positive nod from a union leader outside manufacturing, suggesting some alignment with Trump’s tariff goals for economic protectionism. The AFT typically focuses on education, not trade, so this stands out as a broader labor perspectiv

 

[Next Day Err]

Naive to think that even products made in the US won't increase in price also. ers will just charge a bit less than a foreign made product.

In economics it's called import parity pricing and it's absolutely a real thing. I guess the bro-science MAGA dorks fell asleep during that economics lesson.

We're led by a lot of intellectual second bananas. God help us.

 

[newfie]

Same can be said of the farmers who can't pay back their loans without another massive government bailout.

We've been subsidizing our farmers forever

• Crop Insurance: The federal government provides subsidized crop insurance to help farmers manage risks from weather, pests, and market fluctuations. The USDA’s Risk Management Agency oversees this program, covering a significant portion of premiums to make it affordable.
• Direct Payments: Programs like the Agriculture Risk Coverage (ARC) and Price Loss Coverage (PLC) offer payments to farmers when crop prices or revenues fall below certain thresholds, acting as a safety net for income stability.
• Commodity Subsidies: Farmers growing major crops like corn, soybeans, wheat, and cotton often receive support through commodity programs that help offset low market prices or production costs, historically tied to the Farm Bill.
• Conservation Programs: Initiatives like the Conservation Reserve Program (CRP) pay farmers to take environmentally sensitive land out of production, promoting soil health, water quality, and wildlife habitats while providing a steady income stream.
• Disaster Assistance: When natural disasters strike, programs like the Emergency Loan Program or the Livestock Indemnity Program provide financial aid to help farmers recover from losses to crops, livestock, or infrastructure.

 

[newfie]

In economics it's called import parity pricing and it's absolutely a real thing. I guess the bro-science MAGA dorks fell asleep during that economics lesson.

We're led by a lot of intellectual second bananas. God help us.

perhaps instead of insulting members here you could provide some of that superior knowledge you claim to possess

Joseph Stiglitz

• Context: A Nobel laureate who has critiqued unfettered globalization and supported targeted tariffs to address trade imbalances or protect domestic economies.
• Quote: "Tariffs can be a tool to correct market distortions and protect workers when global trade rules disproportionately favor corporations over people."
  (Adapted from his writings and interviews, such as those on globalization in Globalization and Its Discontents.)

 

[Next Day Err]

Same can be said of the farmers who can't pay back their loans without another massive government bailout.

You know what would be funny as ? If the remaining smaller farmers got slaughtered in this trade war and Trump purposefully didn't act to bail them out again and let his rich buddies swoop in to buy out the smaller players for dimes on the dollar LOL

It would be perfect.

Make America Great Again.

 

[bottomups]

We've been subsidizing our farmers forever

• Crop Insurance: The federal government provides subsidized crop insurance to help farmers manage risks from weather, pests, and market fluctuations. The USDA’s Risk Management Agency oversees this program, covering a significant portion of premiums to make it affordable.
• Direct Payments: Programs like the Agriculture Risk Coverage (ARC) and Price Loss Coverage (PLC) offer payments to farmers when crop prices or revenues fall below certain thresholds, acting as a safety net for income stability.
• Commodity Subsidies: Farmers growing major crops like corn, soybeans, wheat, and cotton often receive support through commodity programs that help offset low market prices or production costs, historically tied to the Farm Bill.
• Conservation Programs: Initiatives like the Conservation Reserve Program (CRP) pay farmers to take environmentally sensitive land out of production, promoting soil health, water quality, and wildlife habitats while providing a steady income stream.
• Disaster Assistance: When natural disasters strike, programs like the Emergency Loan Program or the Livestock Indemnity Program provide financial aid to help farmers recover from losses to crops, livestock, or infrastructure.

Just because we have been bailing them out forever doesn't mean we can afford to keep doing so in the future. Something has got to change.

 

[Next Day Err]

P.T. Barnum is laughing his ASS off from the grave! LMAO

 

[newfie]

You know what would be funny as ? If the remaining smaller farmers got slaughtered in this trade war and Trump purposefully didn't act to bail them out again and let his rich buddies swoop in to buy out the smaller players for dimes on the dollar LOL

It would be perfect.

Make America Great Again.

continuing our economics lesson you claim to crave

Dani Rodrik

• Context: An economist focused on globalization and development, Rodrik has argued for strategic trade policies, including tariffs, to allow countries flexibility in economic planning.
• Quote: "Countries need policy space to use tariffs and other tools to manage their economies, especially when global markets fail to deliver equitable outcomes."
  (Drawn from his work in The Globalization Paradox, where he defends selective protectionism.)

 

[newfie]

Just because we have been bailing them out forever doesn't mean we can afford to keep doing so in the future. Something has got to change.

exactly i agree 100 percent. did you know many of the same culprits have either closed their markets to us or heavily tariff our farmer products to limit how much we can sell there? Trump is trying to open those markets to them with reciprocal trade.
the best way for us to stop having to support farmers as much is to get those countries to open their markets to us.

• Japan - Before 2018, Japan maintained steep tariffs and quotas on U.S. agricultural goods, including a 777% tariff on rice imports outside a small quota and up to 38.5% on beef. These policies, in place since the post-WWII era, protected Japanese farmers and limited U.S. market access.
• South Korea - Prior to the 2012 U.S.-Korea Free Trade Agreement (KORUS), South Korea imposed tariffs averaging 52.7% on agricultural goods, with peaks like 487% on rice and 328% on corn (via tariff-rate quotas). Even after KORUS, high barriers persisted pre-2018, restricting U.S. farmers.
• India - India’s pre-2018 tariffs on U.S. agricultural imports averaged over 30%, with specific duties like 50% on apples, 60% on chickpeas, and 100% on peanuts. These protectionist measures, dating back decades, shielded India’s vast farming sector from U.S. competition.
• Russia - Russia banned U.S. poultry in 2002 over sanitary disputes and imposed a full agricultural import ban in 2014 following U.S. sanctions over Ukraine—well before the 2018 trade war. This closed off a major market for U.S. chicken and pork producers.
• European Union (EU) - Pre-2018, the EU enforced strict barriers, including a 2004 ban on U.S. hormone-treated beef due to health regulations and tariffs averaging 18% on agricultural goods (e.g., 40% on some dairy). These policies long predated U.S. tariff disputes.
• China - Before the 2018 trade war, China applied tariffs averaging 15-20% on U.S. farm products, with quotas on grains and bans on certain U.S. poultry (e.g., 2004 avian flu restrictions). These measures, in place since China’s 2001 WTO entry, limited U.S. exports.
• Norway - Norway’s pre-2018 tariffs on agricultural goods averaged 50%, with peaks like 277% on beef and 429% on some cheeses. As a non-EU member, it maintained these high barriers under WTO rules to protect its small farming sector.
• Switzerland - Switzerland imposed tariffs averaging 34% on agricultural imports pre-2018, with rates like 141% on meat and 300-500% on dairy products outside quotas. These policies, rooted in its neutrality and self-sufficiency goals, blocked U.S. farmers.
• Tunisia - Tunisia’s pre-2018 tariffs on agricultural goods averaged 36%, with higher rates on U.S. exports like dairy (up to 100%) and fruits (30-50%). These protectionist measures, in place since its post-colonial trade framework, restricted U.S. access.
• Egypt - Egypt maintained high tariffs and non-tariff barriers pre-2018, including 40% duties on U.S. poultry and strict quotas on wheat imports. These policies, dating back to its state-controlled economy era, favored domestic producers over U.S. farmers.

 

[Wally]

Did anyone notice how anyone who suffers from TDS is suddenly mortified by the current state of the stock market? Lol, the market never had a correction before.