Two Tier Pay for Driver ?

[beentheredonethat]

Everybody always bring up the uaw.....the car companies were on the brink of bankruptcy.....that's why concessions had to be made,UPS is nowhere close to that....there are other ways to deal with threats from FedEx ground.

UPS Ground has been pretty much stagnant with "minor" increases in volume over the last few years. FDX Ground has been growing at a huge clip during the same time period. FDX ground is expanding their hub facilities and adding new ones. How many UPS Ground hub facilities have we added in the last 5 years?

So tell me, how do we deal with threats from FDX Ground?

 

[Ms.PacMan]

I could see a day where preload+helper becomes a full-time job and also a day when drivers drop off resis to a contracted person to deliver the package to the house. Kind of like the helpers on the golf carts now. Maybe retirees who would deliver to their own neighborhood - instead of a paperboy, ppl would have delivery boys.

 

[Buck Fifty]

ICU, others here agreed with me, did you negative rep them also? Also, you can't argue the fact that it has already occurred with PT'ers. Sorry, that you don't like the fact that it did happen. Two tier rates have occurred at many other union shops like the UAW. You may be right it won't happen. But I see a lot of people worried more about themselves then the "unborn".

Drivers are not pters. You made no point with the fact it happened to them back in the early 80's. The fact is that the company has been able to get by with a horrific turnover ratio for pters. They will implode with a move like this on the full time ranks. No matter what upstate wants to tout, its his way of speading the companies propaganda. He's really good at that. Spreading the fear among st his peers that is.

What i was trying to do was first of all see who would even acknowledge and idea so utterly selfish. Anybody willing to even think twice about letting this happen or even come to a vote need s to be shot on the spot. It doesn't matter what size bonus, what size raises on pay or pension,it shouldn't be discussed or tossed out in any forum. Keep watching the selfishness show up and you will find out who your dealing with in this forum and in the work place. SHOT on the SPOT !!! Figuratively of course,.... yeah of course.

I've said this before and I'll say it again. Never give up anything, always VOTE NO !!! If everybody who had a vote voted NO, then Upstate wouldn't be able to throw his spew on the wall. A "no" vote protects the future of the working man.

Now where are all the $1's at ?

 

[beentheredonethat]

Drivers are not pters. You made no point with the fact it happened to them back in the early 80's. The fact is that the company has been able to get by with a horrific turnover ratio for pters. They will implode with a move like this on the full time ranks. No matter what upstate wants to tout, its his way of speading the companies propaganda. He's really good at that. Spreading the fear among st his peers that is.

What i was trying to do was first of all see who would even acknowledge and idea so utterly selfish. Anybody willing to even think twice about letting this happen or even come to a vote need s to be shot on the spot. It doesn't matter what size bonus, what size raises on pay or pension,it shouldn't be discussed or tossed out in any forum. Keep watching the selfishness show up and you will find out who your dealing with in this forum and in the work place. SHOT on the SPOT !!! Figuratively of course,.... yeah of course.

I've said this before and I'll say it again. Never give up anything, always VOTE NO !!! If everybody who had a vote voted NO, then Upstate wouldn't be able to throw his spew on the wall. A "no" vote protects the future of the working man.

Now where are all the $1's at ?

Hmmm, anyone who disagrees with you on this topic should be shot on the spot. Very mature way to handle problems. Don't like it.. shoot them. Sounds like you should move to the middle east.

 

[Buck Fifty]

Call me what you will but I still think that this proposal will be at least discussed during contract negotiations. Yes, the company would need to sweeten the pot (signing bonus) in order to get this implemented, but it does make economic sense and would help position us to remain competitive with Ground.

Lower starting wage, longer progression and lower top out for any new FT hire as of the ratification date of the contract.

You go snare all the ground you want big boy, the company makes their profit on air volume. That's how we keep the raises coming. It makes no economic sense at all if you bring down the mentality of the backbone of your company. Yes the DRIVER ! Now please just grow one of those and protect the job that has been so good to you dammit ! I gonna try and be nice here, but that is a kitty cat on your avatar..... nevermind !!!

 

[Buck Fifty]

UPS Ground has been pretty much stagnant with "minor" increases in volume over the last few years. FDX Ground has been growing at a huge clip during the same time period. FDX ground is expanding their hub facilities and adding new ones. How many UPS Ground hub facilities have we added in the last 5 years?

So tell me, how do we deal with threats from FDX Ground?

Let them have all the ground they want. Let them have the headaches of blown out trucks and tore up boxes and daily late start times. Profits are made on the Air guys. friend the ground stuff . Concentrate on the safety and service and it wont matter what we charge, they will use our brand. My father delivers buses all over the country at age 76 and charges 50 cents more a mile than the next guy. Guess what they want him ! Wont leave him alone ! Offer him even more just for certain jobs. Think about it !!!

 

[Catatonic]

Let them have all the ground they want. Let them have the headaches of blown out trucks and tore up boxes and daily late start times. Profits are made on the Air guys. friend the ground stuff . Concentrate on the safety and service and it wont matter what we charge, they will use our brand. My father delivers buses all over the country at age 76 and charges 50 cents more a mile than the next guy. Guess what they want him ! Wont leave him alone ! Offer him even more just for certain jobs. Think about it !!!

The reason Air is such a profitable product for UPS is because the pickup and delivery is piggybacked on our Ground service.
As UPS loses Ground, it will lose the profit of Air.

 

[Buck Fifty]

I was the one who made the statement to bet the house on such a thing. And let me just say, it was complete sarcasm. You see, UpstateNYUPSer has been touting such a thing for a while so it was a bit of a jab at him. Also, if such a thing passed with or without a signing bonus, or any such trick, that will be my last day at UPS. Part-timers have been getting jerked around when it comes to going full-time as is. There are people in my hub with a decade in still unable to go full-time. These are men and women who started with the company as kids and are now middle-aged. We stuck around knowing one day we'd get the same opportunities as the current lot of full-timers. No guarantees in life, but to put in a decade and have the rug pulled by your own brotherhood would be, as I also said in that thread, the biggest turd the teamsters have laid since inception and my already waning belief in what the union stands for will be effectively bottomed out.

UpstateNYUPSer did not put in time breaking back in the PT ranks, you would think he'd be more appreciative of what we peasant part-timers do for the company. His "solution" to make a profitable company more profitable is to sell out his brotherhood while he himself would NOT even consider a pay cut and rightfully so. The man can spin it any way he wants but it is wrong, period. If times were tough for UPS (and they aren't), would I support such a tiered system? Maybe, however things would need to be blatantly bad around here and it would only affect part-timers yet to be hired. Not the hard working men and women who are entering midlife, looking to finally land the job that allows them to take care of their families.

Just my opinion. I'm sure there are plenty of cowards who would vote yes on such a thing for a $5,000 check.

Its all good Brother ! I knew what you were doing. This thread was not to slam you. Just don't help him spread the fear .

 

[Buck Fifty]

The reason Air is such a profitable product for UPS is because the pickup and delivery is piggybacked on our Ground service.
As UPS loses Ground, it will lose the profit of Air.

Don't tell me, You read that on the internet didn't ya Hoax. Keyword Hoax.

 

[Catatonic]

Don't tell me, You read that on the internet didn't ya Hoax. Keyword Hoax.

I would take the time to explain it but smart people have already figured it out and dumb people never seem to get it.
Ain't going to waste my time.

 

[Buck Fifty]

I would take the time to explain it but smart people have already figured it out and dumb people never seem to get it.
Ain't going to waste my time.

Why would you risk dumbing down the backbone of the company for profits you wont and cant keep. Have you looked at you preload lately. Turnover ratio ever hits drivers like it has the preload, there is no telling what you have to put in the seats. Do you get your Koolaid delivered Air or Ground. Its obvious you weren't worried about wasting your time the other 11,217 times. You keep believing in yourself though.

 

[Catatonic]

It's funny to see someone else's kid throw a tantrum! LOL

 

[Buck Fifty]

It's funny to see someone else's kid throw a tantrum! LOL

Are you looking through the neighbors window again. You need to behave ... eyes down on the computer !!!!

 

[PiedmontSteward]

I was the one who made the statement to bet the house on such a thing. And let me just say, it was complete sarcasm. You see, UpstateNYUPSer has been touting such a thing for a while so it was a bit of a jab at him. Also, if such a thing passed with or without a signing bonus, or any such trick, that will be my last day at UPS. Part-timers have been getting jerked around when it comes to going full-time as is. There are people in my hub with a decade in still unable to go full-time. These are men and women who started with the company as kids and are now middle-aged. We stuck around knowing one day we'd get the same opportunities as the current lot of full-timers. No guarantees in life, but to put in a decade and have the rug pulled by your own brotherhood would be, as I also said in that thread, the biggest turd the teamsters have laid since inception and my already waning belief in what the union stands for will be effectively bottomed out.

UpstateNYUPSer did not put in time breaking back in the PT ranks, you would think he'd be more appreciative of what we peasant part-timers do for the company. His "solution" to make a profitable company more profitable is to sell out his brotherhood while he himself would NOT even consider a pay cut and rightfully so. The man can spin it any way he wants but it is wrong, period. If times were tough for UPS (and they aren't), would I support such a tiered system? Maybe, however things would need to be blatantly bad around here and it would only affect part-timers yet to be hired. Not the hard working men and women who are entering midlife, looking to finally land the job that allows them to take care of their families.

Just my opinion. I'm sure there are plenty of cowards who would vote yes on such a thing for a $5,000 check.

10 years isn't **** in my building. I represent people with 15-17+ years of seniority that have been unable to bid into a 22.3 combo job or open package car spot. The last package car promotion was a 22.3 bidding on an open spot with 19 years of seniority.

 

[Buck Fifty]

Just so everybody knows I really don't want anybody shot. Contrary to what beentheredonethat may think, I was talking about shooting the idea down on the spot. I think anybody with a half of brain would get that, but hey they let me sign up and post .I forget I have to be politically correct also ! MY BAD !!!

 

[Bagels]

Drivers are not pters. You made no point with the fact it happened to them back in the early 80's. The fact is that the company has been able to get by with a horrific turnover ratio for pters. They will implode with a move like this on the full time ranks. No matter what upstate wants to tout, its his way of speading the companies propaganda. He's really good at that. Spreading the fear among st his peers that is.

The average FedEx Ground driver makes something in the $600 range per week -- without any benefits -- and they're not dealing with "horrific turnover ratios."

You'd be surprised at how quickly UPS could find additional package cars to place onto the road if its top pay rate was halved.

 

[ocnewguy]

10 years isn't **** in my building. I represent people with 15-17+ years of seniority that have been unable to bid into a 22.3 combo job or open package car spot. The last package car promotion was a 22.3 bidding on an open spot with 19 years of seniority.

That's really absurd...with that kind of wait i can't see how anyone could justify sticking around. It's not like you're getting a winning lottery ticket once you win the bid either.

In 15 years even if school isn't your thing you could still learn and start a career in machining, welding trades like that and actually live with normal hours and pretty damn good pay. My humble opinion anyway.

 

[Buck Fifty]

The average FedEx Ground driver makes something in the $600 range per week -- without any benefits -- and they're not dealing with "horrific turnover ratios."

You'd be surprised at how quickly UPS could find additional package cars to place onto the road if its top pay rate was halved.

Never said they wouldn't be able to find people. It would be the turnover ratio, like the one that Fedex Ground has right now. What is the quality and have you seen these guys safety methods. Remember, they really dont answer to Fedex the company anyways, they answer to the guy that owns the route. (Big Difference). Little to much Cream Cheese on top of these Bagels.

 

[bbsam]

What do you think our turnover ratio is at Ground?

 

[Anonymous 10]

What do you think our turnover ratio is at Ground?

Don't thy all stay for thirty years like us??