Under No Circumstances Can 22.4 Be Allowed To Remain

[Mooseknuckle]

They have overtime protection under Article 19 of the Western Supplement if they're in the West.

Without penalties. that means no prtection.

 

[burrheadd]

Some kind of rotation with extreme flexibility may be a better option than making 22.4s work every weekend. But the union didn't choose that path.

Screw that

That’s not what seniority is about

Sorry if you don’t have any.

Have fun working weekends until you do

 

[Brownslave688]

The majority of the members (that even bothered) to submit proposals, wanted a reduction

in forced overtime and didn't want to work weekends. Problem solved.




-Bug-

But they tried to reinvent the wheel.


This could have easily been accomplished by simply putting more RPCD on the road.


The weekend work is here to stay. That's all the IBT had to say.


You're telling me if a majority of the proposals from membership the next contract are 4 day work weeks the IBT is gonna say sure? Or no 22.4? Yeah that's what you guys want.

 

[Brownslave688]

Lol I keep hearing this. Tell me something. What's the penalty if the company doesn't follow Art19?

No monetary penalty = No overtime protection.

We also have Art37 for harassment. Don't see that doing much good.

Hell triple time barely means protection.

 

[alwaysRTS]

Lol I keep hearing this. Tell me something. What's the penalty if the company doesn't follow Art19?

No monetary penalty = No overtime protection.

We also have Art37 for harassment. Don't see that doing much good.

This part of the contract, if enforced, does work. Just utilized this last month with a driver, center manager and the district labor manager. This section works even if there is no monetary payment.

 

[542thruNthru]

View attachment 209348 This part of the contract, if enforced, does work. Just utilized this last month with a driver, center manager and the district labor manager. This section works even if there is no monetary payment.

That sir is Article 37 of the master.

This is Article 19 of WRS

 

[SameRightsForAll]

Is there a union equivalent to the congressional switchboard where you can call the people that came up with this "contract" and tell them to shove it up their ass? Everyday the details just keep getting worse.

You already know the Teamsters are endorsing 22.4 or else they wouldn't have shaken hands already which UPS proudly bragged about.

Right now it seems there's an intentional delay so we phase into peak with UPS using 22.4's before it's even written, then UPS and the Teamsters both will claim we've already been using them so we might as well just accept it.

The solution is to pledge to leave the Teamsters if they don't fight for us against 22.4. Tell it to their face and mean it.

 

[SameRightsForAll]

There are other well paying union jobs where the lower seniority persons have to work the weekend but their unions were smart enough to get them on a rotating schedule so they can have one out of ever three weekends off I don't think the Baltimore bozo .... awe frank it he just doesn't think.

UPS doesn't honor seniority and you know it, so why talk about it. In fact, they don't honor any contract, period, unless you fight them and then they retaliate until you quit fighting. You know I'm right.

 

[542thruNthru]

You already know the Teamsters are endorsing 22.4 or else they wouldn't have shaken hands already which UPS proudly bragged about.

Right now it seems there's an intentional delay so we phase into peak with UPS using 22.4's before it's even written, then UPS and the Teamsters both will claim we've already been using them so we might as well just accept it.

The solution is to pledge to leave the Teamsters if they don't fight for us against 22.4. Tell it to their face and mean it.

We are working under the current contract. So they can't use 22.4s until the new contract is ratified.

 

[SameRightsForAll]

I just noticed that the admin of this site has me as a New Member since 2007. I'm hardly new but I don't rant a lot so I guess my status will show me being new until I run my fat mouth a whole lot to earn my rank. Jeez.

 

[542thruNthru]

I just noticed that the admin of this site has me as a New Member since 2007. I'm hardly new but I don't rant a lot so I guess my status will show me being new until I run my fat mouth a whole lot to earn my rank. Jeez.

Don't take it so personal. It goes off of post count. You can easily change it yourself. You seem very angry at the world.

 

[alwaysRTS]

That sir is Article 37 of the master.

This is Article 19 of WRS
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I know it's Article 37, however we use Article 19 of the Western Supplement to get a meeting when a driver has been violated multiple times in a certain time period.

 

[Mooseknuckle]

But they tried to reinvent the wheel.


This could have easily been accomplished by simply putting more RPCD on the road.


The weekend work is here to stay. That's all the IBT had to say.


You're telling me if a majority of the proposals from membership the next contract are 4 day work weeks the IBT is gonna say sure? Or no 22.4? Yeah that's what you guys want.

This could have easily been accomplished by simply putting more RPCD on the road.
You are absolutely correct! So why all this complicated language and the insistence on pushing this through? Because this isn't about giving them relief, it's about dividing OUR union. Please research this for yourselves. Two tier pay in unions.

 

[542thruNthru]

I know it's Article 37, however we use Article 19 of the Western Supplement to get a meeting when a driver has been violated multiple times in a certain time period.

Ok but how will Article 19 help a 22.4 if there is no Article 37 protection?

The company can just say "We will do our best to comply with Article 19." When they don't? Then what?

 

[Future]

Ok but how will Article 19 help a 22.4 if there is no Article 37 protection?

The company can just say "We will do our best to comply with Article 19." When they don't? Then what?

It’s a crap show buddy .... sooooo many open areas ....so many gray areas .... we could sit here till we die .... just keep informing

 

[Mooseknuckle]

I know it's Article 37, however we use Article 19 of the Western Supplement to get a meeting when a driver has been violated multiple times in a certain time period.

The problem with article 37 is it says "if a driver is PAID" not if the contract is violated. The devil is in the details. So if for whatever reason it is not PAID (I'm hoping not to offend 542thrunthru here) then it means nothing! they have to PAY the grievance to proceed.

 

[542thruNthru]

It’s a crap show buddy .... sooooo many open areas ....so many gray areas .... we could sit here till we die .... just keep informing

What's it look like I'm doing Grandpa!

 

[Mooseknuckle]

I could file a .02 hours over 9.5 grievance and they'll fight it until the second coming. They don't want to be forced to comply. Don't want to hire more full timers.

 

[542thruNthru]

The problem with article 37 is it says "if a driver is PAID" not if the contract is violated. The devil is in the details. So if for whatever reason it is not PAID (I'm hoping not to offend 542thrunthru here) then it means nothing! they have to PAY the grievance to proceed.

Why do you think you'd offend me?

 

[Mooseknuckle]

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Why do you think you'd offend me?

Don't mean to sound overly negative with my last post. I may not have worded it properly. Nothing I said was meant toward you. I meant that I haven't been having good results from our shared BA's. Don't want to offend you with a comment about them.