UPS and IBT are in bed together

Bubblehead

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We have got to see change. With New leadership, we can negotiate a contract that truly protects the members from being held to perfection. It's funny how a straight A student can miss 8 questions on a test and still get an A and be considered an honor roll student. But a UPS employee who makes 1 single mistake is considered an employee that deserves a warning letter which states your next mistake will result in discharge. This has become ridiculous discipline which is only designed to oppress employees. And history proves over and over.....oppressed people won't stay opressed. It's time for this to stop.
By the Company's own admission there is at least 340 "methods" ....not including ever changing and conflicting "daily instructions"....

aka the "flavor of the week".

The Company, for sure, uses "the methods" as a weapon.
 
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Sheep DAWG

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By the Company's own admission there is at least 340 "methods....not including ever changing and conflicting "daily instructions"....

aka the "flavor of the week".

The Company, for sure, uses "the methods" as a weapon.
Oh you are so right. The company is so low down and dirty, that they spend the month of January going out and doing fake observations only to come back and issue false and frivolous discipline to the drivers, in order to pad the employees record with unwarranted discipline to make the employee fear filing grievances on the company for violating the contract as well as any other government regulations. And the IBT.....silence!
 

Sheep DAWG

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They are really good about saying it here, especially when it comes to 8 hour requests.

" 'I'm sorry' I hosed you today."
I've actually heard of management violating an employee's 8 hour request and telling them they will give them another one....LMAO...they do get another! Because They Didn't Get that one....and I see drivers thanking them for it....Get a clue guys. Your management team DID NOT Just do you a favor. They screwed you. Please don't be that guy that thanks them....I'm sure your wife or girlfriend thinks you are a bigger man than that.
 

UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)

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I've actually heard of management violating an employee's 8 hour request and telling them they will give them another one....LMAO...they do get another! Because They Didn't Get that one....and I see drivers thanking them for it....Get a clue guys. Your management team DID NOT Just do you a favor. They screwed you. Please don't be that guy that thanks them....I'm sure your wife or girlfriend thinks you are a bigger man than that.

You are allowed 2 per month so if they violate the first one and say that they will give you another that means you still have two that you can use; unfortunately, if they screw you again toward the end of the month you cannot carry over any unused requests to the following month. At that point you would file for the two hours of penalty pay.
 

Bubblehead

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You are allowed 2 per month so if they violate the first one and say that they will give you another that means you still have two that you can use; unfortunately, if they screw you again toward the end of the month you cannot carry over any unused requests to the following month. At that point you would file for the two hours of penalty pay.
If I can't get it all done on an 8hr request, and management doesn't make adjustments to for what I can't finish, I bring it back.
I'm in the Central Region and we don't go by the National Master language.
I've done it several times, but haven't had to in many years .
 

UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)

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If I can't get it all done on an 8hr request, and management doesn't make adjustments to for what I can't finish, I bring it back.
I'm in the Central Region and we don't go by the National Master language.
I've done it several times, but haven't had to in many years .

We can't do that here----they will turn around and send us back out.
 

LagunaBrown

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Look at this pity party. It's so lame to blame the Union leaders and the contract language when your members won't file on a 8 hour request violation and are tricked into horse trading. Those are automatic payments if violated that has teeth! Go ask a Fed Ex ground guy about his 70 hour work week and not getting paid overtime when you say our contract language is weak. There are billions of laborers that would trade for that contract in a heartbeat!
 

BigUnionGuy

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With such solid Central Region language, how can anybody argue with that logic???

ARTICLE 17-DISCHARGE OR SUSPENSIONS
(i) other cardinal offenses, the Company and the Union agree that
there are offenses where an employee may be suspended in lieu of
discharge.

SMH



~Bbbl~™


Would you prefer the previous Article 17-i.... language ?


With New leadership, we can negotiate a contract that truly protects the members from being held to perfection.


Total newbie. Or, troll.


It's good language, if it wasn't there you'd be forced to work how ever long management chose. If you want on sign up. People's lifestyles change so you get to choose for five month periods I don't see that as bad..


It is good language. Options, are beneficial.


Why would anyone.... try and dictate (to another member)

How much money, they are afforded to make ??


If you are a pkg car driver, and don't want the hours....

Sign the 9.5 list.



We have a bunch of contract language with no teeth....no consequences for the company when they violate your rights.


What contract language, is that ?


Our supplement has an "I'm sorry" clause. Any time that the company violates a contract article that has no consequences for doing so they are required to say "I'm sorry" to the grievant.


I haven't read that part.

What provision, of your Rider.... says that ?


By the Company's own admission there is at least 340 "methods" ....not including ever changing and conflicting "daily instructions"


Meh.


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They are really good about saying it here, especially when it comes to 8 hour requests.

" 'I'm sorry' I hosed you today."

I've actually heard of management violating an employee's 8 hour request and telling them they will give them another one.


Shemp Dawg....

Is now confirmed as a Troll.


If I can't get it all done on an 8hr request, and management doesn't make adjustments to for what I can't finish, I bring it back.
I'm in the Central Region and we don't go by the National Master language.
I've done it several times




Muscle up.... Brown Cafe Teamsters.

If Bubble can do it, so can you.



-Bug-
 

Bubblehead

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Look at this pity party. It's so lame to blame the Union leaders and the contract language when your members won't file on a 8 hour request violation and are tricked into horse trading. Those are automatic payments if violated that has teeth! Go ask a Fed Ex ground guy about his 70 hour work week and not getting paid overtime when you say our contract language is weak. There are billions of laborers that would trade for that contract in a heartbeat!
It's crap language in the Master.
An 8hr request is supposed to give the driver the avenue to make plans after work two days a month.
It's not supposed to be an additional revenue stream for these employees .

The Central Region saw this year's ago and have supplemental language and a series of favorable decisions protecting the true intent of the language.

"Billions of laborers" can't have my job, it's mine, bought and paid for by myself and generations of Teamsters before me.
 

Bubblehead

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Would you prefer the previous Article 17-i.... language ?
"Cardinal" . . . "Serious"? ? ?

Six of one, half a dozen of the other.

I would prefer to see these "other cardinal offenses" defined, because after all, isn't that what the rest of the article attempts to do?

Since you seem to be a "historian" on these issues, who was the maroon who originally agreed to this incredibly weak and vague language.



~Bbbl~™
 

LagunaBrown

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"Billions of laborers" can't have my job, it's mine, bought and paid for by myself and generations of Teamsters before me.
Your a crybaby. You whine about language you do not enforce and that other people would love to have. Then have the audacity to say that!
 
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LagunaBrown

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It's crap language in the Master.
An 8hr request is supposed to give the driver the avenue to make plans after work two days a month.
It's not supposed to be an additional revenue stream for these employees .

The Central Region saw this year's ago and have supplemental language and a series of favorable decisions protecting the true intent of the language.
Anytime the company is contractually obligated to pay for violations that is "teeth" in the language. If your employer is purposely violating this and giving away free money then everyone in the center should request 8 hour days for the free cash till the company learns its lesson. Try empowering the members instead of being a crybaby.
 

twoweeled

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Look at this pity party. It's so lame to blame the Union leaders and the contract language when your members won't file on a 8 hour request violation and are tricked into horse trading. Those are automatic payments if violated that has teeth! Go ask a Fed Ex ground guy about his 70 hour work week and not getting paid overtime when you say our contract language is weak. There are billions of laborers that would trade for that contract in a heartbeat!
I assume you've been around awhile. So you know, if there's no financial repercussions - the company will violate you over and over again. You know that!
The local will tell you; work as directed, and then file.
When push comes to shove, the company almost always resorts to "I'm directing you to ,,,,,". There's the line. You'd better make sure your in the right if your going to cross it. So they violate us over and over in that way.

As far as the comparisons to other companies and other situations. That is company talk, in my opinion. It's scary that the Union would also use the, comparison talk to make us feel better about our own situation. When we fall for the "look how bad they have it. We're lucky". What we are essentially doing is entering a; race to the bottom. We're far better off in a race to the top. Bettering ourselves all the way up.
We will always be able to find someone who is worse off than us. That doesn't really help me, personally.
 

Bubblehead

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Anytime the company is contractually obligated to pay for violations that is "teeth" in the language. If your employer is purposely violating this and giving away free money then everyone in the center should request 8 hour days for the free cash till the company learns its lesson. Try empowering the members instead of being a crybaby.
Nope, I'll stick with the superior Central Region language.

Because, 20 undelivered or missed stops at 5:20 has always been very educational for the Company, and likely the reason why I no longer ever have issues with my 8hr requests.

Penalty pay doesn't seem to discourage UPS, in regards to 8hr requests or 9.5, but service failures do.
KH said it himself in regards to 9.5.
 

twoweeled

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Look at this pity party. It's so lame to blame the Union leaders and the contract language when your members won't file on a 8 hour request violation and are tricked into horse trading. Those are automatic payments if violated that has teeth! Go ask a Fed Ex ground guy about his 70 hour work week and not getting paid overtime when you say our contract language is weak. There are billions of laborers that would trade for that contract in a heartbeat!
Serious question. I'm not in package anymore. how does the company pay on 8 hour request violations?
 
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