using your seniority to not work

[PT Car Washer]

Because it saves their production.

They don't care about costs. They care about hours.

Service failures would override production costs.

 

[PT Car Washer]

It's working at this very moment, so it must vary by location.

At the time we were fat on workers. Not so much now.

 

[wilberforce15]

Service failures would override production costs.

Service failures aren't created by having a supervisor cover for a senior hourly.

Trust me, the 18 year old sucker supervisor gets more packages thrown than I do.

 

[wilberforce15]

At the time we were fat on workers. Not so much now.

And yet, managers love saving on production in all environments. I go home. The manager gets a bonus. The PT sup gets a workout. Some other hourly gets to file a grievance.

Everyone wins.

 

[PT Car Washer]

Service failures aren't created by having a supervisor cover for a senior hourly.

Trust me, the 18 year old sucker supervisor gets more packages thrown than I do.

I will agree there. Our PT sups work like a dog. I have to wonder where UPS is going wrong where the sups work harder than the hourlies.

 

[wilberforce15]

I will agree there. Our PT sups work like a dog. I have to wonder where UPS is going wrong where the sups work harder than the hourlies.

The sup's work doesn't count against production, even if it's grieved.
Here, a senior hourly can get great pay for the supervisor working, and the supervisor is fine. The manager gets a bonus. It's literally everyone winning. We all have a game going.

 

[PT Car Washer]

The sup's work doesn't count against production, even if it's grieved.
Here, a senior hourly can get great pay for the supervisor working, and the supervisor is fine. The manager gets a bonus. It's literally everyone winning. We all have a game going.

You are assuming there are enough PT sups to cover all of the missing hourlies. And that they don't mind being worked like a dog everyday for a couple Dollars more then an hourly. And that there is an inexhaustible supply of such fools. My hub reached the breaking point a few years ago.

 

[wilberforce15]

You are assuming there are enough PT sups to cover all of the missing hourlies. And that they don't mind being worked like a dog everyday for a couple Dollars more then an hourly. And that there is an inexhaustible supply of such fools. My hub reached the breaking point a few years ago.

There is an inexhaustible supply of such fools, and they don't mind being worked like dogs every day, or at least not enough to quit. My hub may reach a breaking point.

But not yet.

 

[olroadbeech]

yes, you can deny extra work if there are people available below you.
they go down the list . if they can't get ahold of the bottom people they work their way back up and can force you to work.

 

[PT Car Washer]

There is an inexhaustible supply of such fools, and they don't mind being worked like dogs every day, or at least not enough to quit. My hub may reach a breaking point.

But not yet.

I guess UPS has a better sales pitch then the Teamsters. Seems to be working so far. My building just posted 5 22.3 jobs and 20 more to follow because the company can not fill PT jobs. $35/hr and a FT pension and benefits because the company wants to save money by not paying PT workers a higher wage.

 

[clean hairy]

Someone correct me if I’m wrong, but I believe it’s 1000 hrs/yr for PT and 2000 hrs/yr FT to receive 1 year of pension credit.

750 hours pt and (I think) 1800 ft

 

[clean hairy]

It may vary by region, but I've never heard of hours worked mattering for vacation.

Only for pension.

156 days worked each year for vacation

 

[clean hairy]

Sending a senior hourly home and having a supervisor cover the work is a great way to make production.

Also a great way to make money from supervisor working grievances

 

[govols019]

im aware of using your seniority to get the work thats available before others...but is there anything in the southern agreement that states one can use their seniority to not work. for example: demanding to be sent home before others with less seniority... more specifically, giving a lower seniority driver your DIAD and telling them they're running you're route today and you'll be the one going home "MUAHAHAHA"

You don't tell a lower seniority driver anything...they don't work for you.

 

[Yeet]

Our management and union always say seniority can't be used like that. I think they're wrong.

If there is work available and too many people to do it, the work should be "offered" in seniority order. Then, when the senior guy doesn't want it, it's the same as the right to go home.

Ask them to offer the work in seniority order, rather than asking them to go home. It's the same thing. But it sounds better.

When I worked in the hub, supervisors would say seniority gives you the right to work, not the right to go home. Most part timers, myself included at the time, don’t know the contract well enough to dispute the sups claim so we bought it. In feeders, seniority definitely gives you the right to go home before somebody junior. They know we either know our rights or will find a steward who does. So long story short, at least in the southern region, seniority gives you both the right to stay or leave but that won’t stop a part time sup from lying to you and saying it doesn’t.

 

[Staydryitsraining]

You can do that from home too. Just tell the sup not to put you in for a sick day.

That would never happen here either.

 

[PT Car Washer]

When I worked in the hub, supervisors would say seniority gives you the right to work, not the right to go home. Most part timers, myself included at the time, don’t know the contract well enough to dispute the sups claim so we bought it. In feeders, seniority definitely gives you the right to go home before somebody junior. They know we either know our rights or will find a steward who does. So long story short, at least in the southern region, seniority gives you both the right to stay or leave but that won’t stop a part time sup from lying to you and saying it doesn’t.

Nobody wants to work anymore.

 

[wilberforce15]

Nobody wants to work anymore.

Expecting 50-60 hours a week all year is simply toxic,no matter how much vacation you get.

That's why drivers are largely so mad all the time.

 

[Wally]

Expecting 50-60 hours a week all year is simply toxic,no matter how much vacation you get.

That's why drivers are largely so mad all the time.

Nobody I know working those amount of hours non peak? Maybe 5-8 hours OT at best.

 

[wilberforce15]

Nobody I know working those amount of hours non peak? Maybe 5-8 hours OT at best.

Plus five hours a week of lunch plus commute. That's a 55 hour week of being away from home as an expectation.

That's toxic, even at that OT rate.