VOTE NO ON THe CONTRACT!

[Anonymous 10]

Re: VOTE NO

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I'd like to commend you for being nice to moreluck. Good job Dave.

 

[stink219]

I'm voting yes

Everybody on here knows this. Why do you keep repeating yourself?

Realclown1, everyone on here knows your a dik yet you keep repeating yourself. Your just pissed because 407 voices what the majority is thinking. Yes, majority!! I don't deny that most people on BC will vote NO, but that is a common for people to gripe. It doesn't reflect the majority. If BC polls were a reflection, Sandy Pope would have won the GP spot. Instead she came dead balls last!!
Now I'm sure you'll rebut with something that sounds like this,"blah blah blah old guard blah blah blah cheerleader blah blah blah vote no blah blah blah 407 blah blah blah TDU blah blah blah."

 

[oldupsman]

Realclown1, everyone on here knows your a dik yet you keep repeating yourself. Your just pissed because 407 voices what the majority is thinking. Yes, majority!! I don't deny that most people on BC will vote NO, but that is a common for people to gripe. It doesn't reflect the majority. If BC polls were a reflection, Sandy Pope would have won the GP spot. Instead she came dead balls last!!
Now I'm sure you'll rebut with something that sounds like this,"blah blah blah old guard blah blah blah cheerleader blah blah blah vote no blah blah blah 407 blah blah blah TDU blah blah blah."

I do not accept your premise of what the majority is thinking any more than then the premise that the east coast is on board.

 

[stink219]

Ok

 

[realbrown1]

Realclown1, everyone on here knows your a dik yet you keep repeating yourself. Your just pissed because 407 voices what the majority is thinking. Yes, majority!! I don't deny that most people on BC will vote NO, but that is a common for people to gripe. It doesn't reflect the majority. If BC polls were a reflection, Sandy Pope would have won the GP spot. Instead she came dead balls last!!
Now I'm sure you'll rebut with something that sounds like this,"blah blah blah old guard blah blah blah cheerleader blah blah blah vote no blah blah blah 407 blah blah blah TDU blah blah blah."

Dude the last contract passed with with about 65% of the 70,000 votes counted. My local for example had no one really speaking out about the TA back then. I actually felt a little sorry for our e-board this time. Speaker after speaker gave them the riot act.
I am not sure if this will pass anymore. Looking at the vote count in the last election (thanks again TDU) alot of locals voted against it. This time I will guarantee more will vote against it. It will be closer, no matter which way it goes.
And by the way, the majority on BC agree with me, vote this TA down.

 

[Inthegame]

Re: VOTE NO

I'd like to commend you for being nice to moreluck. Good job Dave.

The movie is over, he's turned over a new leaf.

 

[anonymous6]

Ok

you are probably right with your majority comment. a majority only means 51%. I think it's going to be very close. somewhere in the fifties. that will scare Hoffa pretty good if the opposition can find a viable opponent in the next couple years.

 

[tbird2000]

Everyone I work with is on the same page regarding this contract......NO (Local 177 NJ)

 

[ramrod7373]

I am voting NO!!!!

 

[DON CUMMINGS]

Re: VOTE NO

Your Voice. Your Vote. Your Contract.​

Copies of the changes to the both the National Master Agreement and Central Region Supplement will be mailed to your home with your ballot. Please take the time to read these contracts in detail. Below, you’ll find the reasons why your stewards, agents and Executive Board are recommending a NO vote:​

PROPOSED NATIONAL MASTER AGREEMENTArticle 6 Sec. 1:​

This language may not be broad enough to protect employees being forced to sign documents.​

Article 6 Sec. 6:​

This change does not provide strong enough language to protect members against the Company’s advanced technology.​

Article 8 Sec. 1:​

This language affects small locals and could discourage the pursuit of important grievances.​

Article 14 Sec. 1:​

This article fails to define if an employee would befound dishonest if they do not report a change inmedical status to the Company.​

Article 14 Sec. 3:​

This language is EXTREMELY detrimental to the membership. After three years the Company canfire an employee if they do not return from an on/off the job injury.​

Article 17:​

The increase in shortage thresholds for payroll errors is concessionary.​

Article 18 Sec. 8.1:​

This article gives UPS sole discretion to not allownon-driving employees to use their cell phones.​

Article 22 Sec. 3:​

Full time jobs are not protectedin this language.Further, any newly created full-time positions can have a 1.5 hour gap within their shift(s)​

Article 22 Sec. 5:​

The wage increases for part-timeworkers are needlessly less than the current 2008-2013 agreement. Further, the starting wage amounts to only a $.63 increase over the life of the agreement. This wage increase still subjects UPSpart-time workers to poverty wages.​

Article 26 Sec. 2:​

The change could result in the depletion of Feederwork.​

Article 26 Sec. 4:​

The Surepost language does not go far enough.Surepost will continue be problematic.​

Article 29 Sec. 1:​

This could be problematic for some members. TheCompany can now change the employee’s shift ifthey must miss two days for one day of jury duty.​

Article 34 Sec. 1:​

The pension rates contained in these changes only increase by $5.00 in the last year of the contract.​

Article 34 Sec. 1(k).5/6:​

The Summary Plan Description has not been provided, therefore we do not have the full information needed for the membership to make afully informed decision.​

Article 37 Sec. 1:​

This article does nothing to address harassment issues and will limit a member’s ability to file labor charges.​

Article 37 Sec. 1(c,d)​

This language does not go far enough to fix 9.5issues. Further, it excludes drivers with less thanfour years of service.​

Article 43 Sec. 2:​

Using Microsoft Streets and Trips could result in lessmilage pay for drivers.​

Article 34 Sec. 4:​

Your entire raise can now be taken from your payand put toward your healthcare.​

Article 41 Sec. 2:​

The four-year wage progression is unreasonable for new full-time employees.​

PROPOSED CENTRAL REGION SUPPLEMENTArticle 1 Sec. 1:​

This concessionary change is bad for newly-hired workers.​

Article 3 Sec. 2:​

This could be very harmful to the membership,resulting in job loss to anyone injured in an on thejob or off the job injury.​

Article 3 Sec. 19:​

This is bad for part-timers. This may not only keep members from obtaining full-time, this creates a lower wage temporary package car driver.​

Article 5 Sec. 3:​

It is the position of Local 89 that we have a right tostrike when it is legal and necessary. Further complicating this with approval from the IBT is unreasonable when our members’ rights and livelihoods are in danger.​

Article 16:​

While this language is beneficial to full-time members it has not addressed the part-timeemployee’s ability to split vacation weeks.​

Article 17(d):​

This language is beneficial in the Ground System,but very harmful in the Air District. This would result​

in termination for almost any contact with an aircraft.

 

[UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)]

Did you really type that all out? Do you know how to post a link or copy and paste? If not I would be more than happy to teach you.

 

[stink219]

Your post was by far the most ridiculous I've seen. A complete waste of time and completely untrue!

 

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[stink219]

We shall see. Even some of the best restaurants have more negative reviews than positives.

 

[UPS Preloader]

According to TDU, here are the approximate results of the 2007 vote. If you take a look you'll see some locals with a big discrepancy between yes and no votes. These should be some of the areas we try to focus on and convert some votes.

UPS Vote Count Results
The vote count figures below are preliminary. Some numbers will be adjusted in the final, official tally.
Southern Supplement Results

Local	National Agreement	Supplement
	Yes	No	Yes	No
79	987	348	974	358
217	74	50	72	51
270	274	281	274	283
373	182	96	183	94
385	664	99	653	107
402	77	41	78	40
480	398	187	367	219
512	429	107	423	114
516	188	149	183	152
519	287	383	270	399
568	127	57	125	58
577	212	15	206	19
612	456	37	456	37
657	469	192	451	207
667	254	96	242	105
728	857	518	836	532
745	52	37	49	41
767	1139	275	1105	302
769	870	101	778	138
878	249	73	246	74
886	244	146	236	153
891	477	110	474	112
988	740	291	726	300
991	310	36	310	36
TOTAL	10,016	3,725	9,815	3,931

Western Supplement Results

Local	National Agreement	Supplement
	Yes	No	Yes	No
2	184	60	188	56
38	51	18	51	18
58	107	15	109	13
63	766	433	771	426
104	868	59	868	59
162	416	205	437	183
174	468	398	499	368
186	133	17	133	16
190	109	20	108	20
206	33	71	48	56
222	479	53	481	47
231	65	16	68	12
252	50	16	52	13
313	58	17	58	17
324	66	28	69	25
381	78	4	77	5
396	1255	678	1267	657
481	27	4	26	5
483	124	29	123	30
492	305	60	300	64
495	45	17	44	18
542	453	75	453	74
572	192	10	193	11
589	67	5	69	3
631	176	69	168	65
670	56	19	56	18
690	188	45	197	35
760	79	5	80	5
839	35	6	38	4
952	459	75	458	74
959	88	23	-	-
962	171	30	176	25
983	52	1	52	1
996	71	34	-	-
TOTAL	7,774	2,615	7,717	2,423

Northern California Supplement

Local	National Agreement	Supplement
	Yes	No	Yes	No
70	152	93	154	87
87	44	8	43	9
137	164	14	163	16
150	314	275	330	258
278	103	508	96	514
287	160	97	156	101
315	150	236	148	235
386	48	31	48	31
431	127	18	128	18
439	105	27	105	27
490	20	59	22	56
533	231	26	215	19
624	120	49	120	49
665	9	17	9	17
856	66	10	60	10
890	19	58	20	57
912	17	36	16	36
948	49	8	48	8
TOTAL	1,898	1,570	1,881	1,547

Central Pennsylvania Supplement

Local	National Agreement	Supplement
	Yes	No	Yes	No
229	75	80	69	86
401	145	66	151	60
429	95	72	93	76
764	152	92	152	92
771	189	78	193	73
773	99	220	102	220
776	230	665	234	662
TOTAL	985	1,273	994	1,269

Local 177 Supplement (New Jersey)

Local	National Agreement	Supplement
	Yes	No	Yes	No
177	1,955	1,072	1,945	1,057
Mechanics	76	27	76	27

Local 804 Supplement (Metro New York)

Local	National Agreement	Supplement
	Yes	No	Yes	No
804	802	2,307	895	2,203

Atlantic Supplement

Local	National Agreement	Supplement
	Yes	No	Yes	No
22	164	37	163	37
29	199	56	187	61
61	220	188	215	194
71	371	135	373	143
171	167	128	160	134
175	291	92	287	95
322	209	134	199	143
355	386	282	375	288
391	905	297	890	311
453	22	26	22	26
505	72	10	71	10
509	651	170	635	187
639	248	737	246	738
697	34	10	34	10
822	120	47	119	48
992	196	60	190	65
TOTAL	4,255	2,409	4,166	2,490

Local 623 Supplement (Philadelphia)

Local	National Agreement	Supplement
	Yes	No	Yes	No
623	655	366	649	360

Metro Philly Supplement

Local	National Agreement	Supplement
	Yes	No	Yes	No
326	112	81	123	63
331	63	23	63	22
384	458	368	464	358
676	358	124	356	126
TOTAL	991	596	1,006	569

New England Supplement

Local	National Agreement	Supplement
	Yes	No	Yes	No
25	880	320	871	317
42	90	42	94	38
59	86	97	87	95
170	137	398	143	392
191	205	99	202	98
251	230	191	236	184
340	378	91	352	117
404	139	76	135	76
443	60	62	62	60
493	86	52	88	50
597	139	95	115	118
633	386	157	392	148
653	119	82	129	75
671	261	217	268	208
677	125	181	143	162
TOTAL	3,321	2,160	3,317	2,138

Upstate New York Supplement

Local	National Agreement	Supplement
	Yes	No	Yes	No
118	213	40	210	42
182	55	20	53	22
264	39	13	41	11
294	335	153	333	156
317	136	392	182	345
449	265	149	267	146
529	34	9	38	5
687	78	39	79	36
693	68	47	67	47
TOTAL	1,223	862	1,270	810

Western Pennsylvania Supplement

Local	National Agreement	Supplement
	Yes	No	Yes	No
30	207	634	167	674
110	224	51	222	51
249	311	156	308	154
261	59	53	60	61
397	45	32	44	34
491	41	6	41	6
538	92	33	87	37
585	51	7	50	8
TOTAL	1,030	972	979	1,025

Local 926 Supplement

Local	National Agreement	Supplement
	Yes	No	Yes	No
926	3	15	9	9

Central Region Supplement

Local	National Agreement	Supplement
	Yes	No	Yes	No
7	176	32	172	36
17	524	94	511	106
20	379	177	366	189
40	64	29	66	24
41	424	500	420	501
89	1,664	760	1,647	772
90	256	134	256	133
92	131	55	98	87
100	251	346	244	351
120	82	42	83	41
135	490	433	485	438
164	37	34	39	32
200	8	2	7	3
215	30	47	30	47
236	15	75	15	79
238	347	99	342	103
243	788	268	799	260
245	175	14	172	17
332	82	10	83	9
339	61	5	61	5
344	1,273	599	1,272	594
346	139	13	131	17
348	146	45	143	48
377	103	28	103	28
406	448	84	441	92
407	499	265	498	265
413	438	191	431	196
421	37	18	39	16
455	906	97	903	99
486	268	41	266	43
554	412	419	412	419
580	130	12	131	12
618	1	0	1	0
637	121	16	120	17
638	1,403	244	1,409	237
651	290	212	273	225
688	640	958	644	954
696	300	22	297	25
749	301	39	30	38
795	171	55	172	54
823	66	7	65	8
908	86	16	88	14
957	172	142	172	143
964	35	17	35	17
TOTAL	14,369	6,696	13,972	6,794

Local 901 Supplement (Puerto Rico)

Local	National Agreement	Supplement
	Yes	No	Yes	No
901	65	46	65	46

UPS Cartage Services, Inc. Supplement

Local	National Agreement	Supplement
	Yes	No	Yes	No
17	14	2	14	2
25	17	4	17	4
41	8	0	8	0
70	7	0	7	0
71	16	0	16	0
117	4	12	3	13
135	12	1	12	1
162	16	0	16	0
222	12	0	12	0
229	1	0	1	0
294	9	0	9	0
295	34	1	34	1
317	4	0	4	0
340	15	0	15	0
344	9	1	9	1
385	27	1	28	1
391	10	0	10	0
406	10	0	10	0
407	15	2	14	3
413	8	0	8	0
470	6	12	6	12
480	34	19	33	21
500	14	3	14	3
509	6	0	6	0
519	2	0	2	0
542	9	1	9	1
549	2	0	2	0
560	18	4	18	4
597	2	0	2	0
600	4	0	4	0
638	17	1	17	1
657	16	0	16	0
667	6	0	6	0
670	0	0	0	0
671	7	0	7	0
688	3	0	3	0
710	11	2	11	2
728	6	35	5	37
745	79	2	78	3
769	2	5	2	5
776	4	12	4	12
822	1	0	1	0
851	17	1	17	1
901	1	0	1	0
957	9	0	9	0
986	54	40	54	40
988	12	3	11	4
TOTAL	590	164	585	172