VOTE NO T-shirts!

[Damok]

There already is a YES shirt...but it comes with a suit and a tie...and it bleeds brown...this is not only an easy vote of No ...its also a NO BRAINER

I was going to reply to this but it's really too easy

 

[scratch]

Did I miss something? Hugo Chavez + Venezuela = Democracy? Whoa, where have I been?

Yeah, it was a fair Election all right. Jimmy Carter was there to watch, so I'm sure it was all legit.

 

[Liberty Bear]

Did I miss something? Hugo Chavez + Venezuela = Democracy? Whoa, where have I been?

In Pakistan? Saudi Arabia? Some other George Bush ally?

 

[cheryl]

What is there to say? I had no intention of disputing your decision.

I belong to so many forums, I can't remember all the rules, and I've been discussing the idea of getting some "political T-shirts" out there on this forum and a couple others. Several people have urged me to go for it. I've spent the entire weekend working on it, and I thought certain people would like to know about it.

In my experience as a forum admin ethical people that want to use one of my forums for free advertising are courteous enough to ask first.

Your ignorance of internet ettiquette and sense of entitlement about posting here is unusual for someone that also links in their signature to a few websites of their own. Since you take Terms of Service so lightly I assume that if anyone that wants to post a free ad on your sites is welcome to do so at anytime. Please advise us how to submit our free ads to your sites.

I broke the rules, and you took away my "rep power." End of story.

LMAO, you think I took away your rep power??? I have never touched anyone's rep power... I'm not even on the rep power grid, mine is set at a static 10 and never changes. Rep power is completely controlled by our members, not me.

 

[cheryl]

Liberty Bear, I'm on to you. This text is from one of your websites where you instruct your followers how to exploit forums etc. to promote your websites:

All webmasters crave links to their websites. Besides directly transporting visitors, links are spidered, or indexed, by search engines, boosting a website’s popularity.

Some links are more effective than others, both in terms of search engine rankings and “public relations.”

As a very simple example, suppose you see an article reminiscing about the tragic plane crash that killed Senator Paul Wellstone and ending with a feedback solicitation. You could post the following message:
Hey, I just saw an intriguing article about the possible assassination of Paul Wellstone at a website called Invisible Republic.

The possibilities are truly infinite. There are probably thousands of forums, blogs and newsgroups to choose from and just as many topics to explore from various angles. You can also figure out a strategy for working a particular forum. Do you want to post under your real name or a pseudonym? Do you want to adopt an in-your-face style or a less confrontational style?

Based on my observations and experiences, I suspect the great majority of online forums, blogs and newsgroups are either corrupt or hopelessly lame from a political perspective. But that doesn’t mean they don’t allow members of the general public to post. If you do post a link to Invisible Republic or a related website on a particular forum, and your post is deleted, it isn’t a total loss. Unless you clearly violated the rules, such an act is very suspicious and can serve as ammunition in my battle against corporate forums masquerading as the public’s voice. So please tell me about your experiences.

Many forums and newsgroups allow users to create a “signature.” If you are allowed to include links in your signature, go for it! You will then automatically publicize your favorite political website every time you post a message.

Note that you may not even have to register before you post. Check out a wondreful resource called BugMeNot.

Another tip: Don’t come on too strong too fast. If you post a blatant promotion of Invisible Republic in your very first post, you may attract the Gestapo’s attention, and you could even get banned. It’s best to start by making a few posts that do not mention IVR, then make an incidental reference to IVR, perhaps as a response to a thread someone else started.

http://www.invisible-republic.org/About/Support#Linking (firefox required)

Best Wishes,
Cheryl
aka the Gestapo

 

[brazenbrown]

Hey Liberty,

I'll be glad to help with your ever so concerned "Rep Power"!

Your deceiving and manipulative ways have earned your reputation!!

For your pleasure....

 

[1989]

Actually, there's a Fedex located near the hub I work at. I see their trucks rolling alongside UPS trucks every day.

I bumped into an old friend who has worked for Fedex for several years, though he's now driving a bus. I asked him how he got along without a union, and he said he had no problems.

At any rate, it's nice to know we can go work for the competition if the UPS/Teamsters coalition doesn't clean up its act. These things work both ways, you know.

Liberty Bear, I have two questions for you. What do you actually do at UPS? What's this crap about the Seattle Mafia? This statement, from your website, is totally false.

[Much of the violence and corruption the Seattle Police Department is so famous for can be attributed to its handlers, the Seattle Mafia. The most spectacular example was the WTO protest of 1999, when “the whole world was watching” as police assaulted peaceful protesters and innocent bystanders alike.]

The police were civil to the uncivil protesters, people who vandalize property are not peaceful protesters or innocent bystanders.

 

[agitator]

Did I miss something? Hugo Chavez + Venezuela = Democracy? Whoa, where have I been?

Yeah, it was a fair Election all right. Jimmy Carter was there to watch, so I'm sure it was all legit.

Damok...bush jr + republiecan party= Democracy....where HAVE you been!

Scratch...Chavez was re elected several times...yes, legitimately, even theough the corp elite that own the private media , etc overthrew his legit govt by coup in april 2002 WITH THE SUPPORT IF NOT ACTUAL ASSISTANCE OF THE BUSH REGIME...but 1 million people in the streets of caracas demanded his return to power....now tha'st democracy in action....what we have in this country is a plutocracy...govt by , for , and of the powerful elites

 

[Damok]

Damok...bush jr + republiecan party= Democracy....where HAVE you been!

I don't recall ever saying we live in a Democracy here... it happens to be a representative republic so I'm not quite sure what you were getting at aside from trying to put words in my mouth. A for effort though.

 

[Damok]

Scratch...Chavez was re elected several times...yes, legitimately, even theough the corp elite that own the private media , etc overthrew his legit govt by coup in april 2002 WITH THE SUPPORT IF NOT ACTUAL ASSISTANCE OF THE BUSH REGIME...but 1 million people in the streets of caracas demanded his return to power....now tha'st democracy in action....what we have in this country is a plutocracy...govt by , for , and of the powerful elites

Actually that is the result of a man promising undeliverable goals to a poverty stricken nation, ironically, controlled by a few super wealthy individuals. Go figure.

 

[Leftinbuilding]

Liberty Bear, a serious question. You definitely espouse Socialism and kinda hint at an appreciation of Communism. Your user name includes "Bear" which was, I believe, the national symbol of the old USSR. Coincidence? The question--Do you prefer Communism over Capitalism?

 

[Damok]

Liberty Bear, I'm on to you. This text is from one of your websites where you instruct your followers how to exploit forums etc. to promote your websites:


http://www.invisible-republic.org/About/Support#Linking (firefox required)

Best Wishes,
Cheryl
aka the Gestapo

Lol - Liberty got busted

 

[Liberty Bear]

In my experience as a forum admin ethical people that want to use one of my forums for free advertising are courteous enough to ask first.

Actually, my posts were about a little more than advertising.

Your ignorance of internet ettiquette and sense of entitlement about posting here is unusual for someone that also links in their signature to a few websites of their own.

Are you saying we're not allowed to include links in our signatures? The following could be interpreted that way:

section 5h:
YOU agree not to use the web site or the service to: disseminate off-topic messages on boards promoting any product, service, web site, board or venture, or promote boards on the service through unsolicited electronic mail messages to third parties.

However, it's common practice - perhaps standard practice - to allow members to include links in their signatures. If I missed a rule that specifically forbids us to include links in our signatures, or if the passage I quoted above is meant to apply to signatures, please let me know, and I'll be glad to comply.

Since you take Terms of Service so lightly I assume that if anyone that wants to post a free ad on your sites is welcome to do so at anytime. Please advise us how to submit our free ads to your sites:
http://www.invisible-republic.org

If I had a forum or blog (as I hope to in the not too distant future), I'd allow members to include links in their signatures. However, I really don't think you'd want to advertise on my sites.

 

[Liberty Bear]

Liberty Bear, I'm on to you. This text is from one of your websites where you instruct your followers how to exploit forums etc. to promote your websites:


http://www.invisible-republic.org/About/Support#Linking (firefox required)

Best Wishes,
Cheryl
aka the Gestapo

I think you're a little paranoid. It's common knowledge that forums and blogs can be used to publicize both ideas and websites. That's why many webmasters and web publishers launch their own blogs or forums and/or post on other people's forums. This is very common knowledge, and it's a very common practice. There's nothing sinister about it.

Indeed, many forum owners are happy to be part of a network where people discuss and link to each other's websites or forums. In fact, I'm in the process of creating a webpage focusing on the UPS/Teamsters contract, and I had planned on linking to MakeUPSDeliver.org, TDU and BrownCafe.com.

As I stated in my other post, IF your regulations don't allow members to include links in their signatures, your terms should clearly point that out. If your terms DO state that, and I missed it, then I'm at fault. Either way, I'll gladly remove my links if they violate your terms.

But you can't have it both ways. You can't allow members to include links in their signatures, then turn around and condemn someone for including links in their signatures.

So which is it: Are your members allowed to include links in their signatures or not? Does my signature in any way violate any of your terms of service?

 

[Liberty Bear]

Liberty Bear, I have two questions for you. What do you actually do at UPS? What's this crap about the Seattle Mafia? This statement, from your website, is totally false.

[Much of the violence and corruption the Seattle Police Department is so famous for can be attributed to its handlers, the Seattle Mafia. The most spectacular example was the WTO protest of 1999, when “the whole world was watching” as police assaulted peaceful protesters and innocent bystanders alike.]

The police were civil to the uncivil protesters, people who vandalize property are not peaceful protesters or innocent bystanders.

If I understand correctly, you're saying the police attacked protesters who were guilty of vandalizing property. If so, you're absolutely wrong. In fact, the police IGNORED the tiny handful of protesters who engaged in vandalism. In fact, I was on the scene shortly after the vandalism occurred. I remember seeing the broken glass, and I recall people expressing surprise that the police did nothing to intervene.

Then the police suddenly went berserk and began attacking everything in sight. They assaulted holiday shoppers and reporters. There was a famous incident where they asked a woman driving a car to roll down her window, then maced her. They invaded Capitol Hill, which had nothing to do with the WTO protest.

There were an estimated 50,000 people on the streets during the WTO protest. I doubt that more than a few dozen - well under 1% - were vandals. Some people have speculated that the "anarchists" who
committed most of the vandalism were actually operatives PRETENDING to be anarchists in an attempt to give the protesters a bad name. That would explain why the police just stood by and watched while they did their dirty work.

 

[Liberty Bear]

Actually that is the result of a man promising undeliverable goals to a poverty stricken nation, ironically, controlled by a few super wealthy individuals. Go figure.

Undeliverable goals? The last I heard he was making foreign corporations pay a fairer share price for Venezuela's oil. He's also imported Cuban doctors.

And, yes, Venezuela was indeed controlled by a relative handful of super wealthy individuals. I believe that's one of the things Chavez is trying to change.

 

[Liberty Bear]

Liberty Bear, a serious question. You definitely espouse Socialism and kinda hint at an appreciation of Communism. Your user name includes "Bear" which was, I believe, the national symbol of the old USSR. Coincidence? The question--Do you prefer Communism over Capitalism?

My background is in wildlife biology, and I wrote a humor book that used a Smokey Bear parody. Yes, it is indeed a coincidence that bears represent Russia (not just the USSR) and the U.S. Forest Service, along with several states (including West Virginia, New Mexico, Louisiana, Montana and California).

As for communism, I think every form of government has its place. Communism worked fine for Native Americans. I can't imagine the Sioux or the Apache embracing capitalism. I think communism may have also been a good thing for China about the time it was escaping the clutches of Europeans and Americans. After all, there were a lot of Chinese, and their main goal was survival - as in getting enough to eat.

Love him or hate him, Mao Tse Tung helped transform China from a nation where starvation was a fact of life to a nation that was merely poor and miserable. At least, I think I have my facts right.

But I think most people would prefer capitalism to communism - and I think capitalism is generally the better way to go, though it is not without faults. It's really hard to say which is rougher on the environment.

Frankly, I would like to see the U.S. embrace a "mixed economy" combining capitalism and socialism - kind of like we had during much of the 20th century. Pure capitalism - the type embraced by free market wh*res - can be a very ugly thing, as UPS employees are finding out right now.

 

[cheryl]

I think you're a little paranoid. It's common knowledge that forums and blogs can be used to publicize both ideas and websites. That's why many webmasters and web publishers launch their own blogs or forums and/or post on other people's forums. This is very common knowledge, and it's a very common practice. There's nothing sinister about it.

I'm not going to dignify your post with a response after reading your how to exploit forums tutorial to promote your website. If it's not sinister why do you mention avoiding detection of the "Gestapo" (mods and admins?)

Another tip: Don’t come on too strong too fast. If you post a blatant promotion of Invisible Republic in your very first post, you may attract the Gestapo’s attention, and you could even get banned. It’s best to start by making a few posts that do not mention IVR, then make an incidental reference to IVR, perhaps as a response to a thread someone else started.

Brown Cafe has no obligation to monitor the Communication Services. However, Brown Cafe reserves the right to review materials posted to this board and to remove any materials in its sole discretion. Brown Cafe reserves the right to terminate your access to any or all of the Brown Cafe Board any time, without notice, for any reason whatsoever.

 

[Liberty Bear]

I'm not going to dignify your post with a response after reading your how to exploit forums tutorial to promote your website. If it's not sinister why do you mention avoiding detection of the "Gestapo" (mods and admins?)

First, the text you quoted was lifted from one of my POLITICAL websites. I've posted on many political forums (e.g. Democratic Underground and Free Republic), some of which are quite sinister. They play a wide variety of games, and I've learned to play the same games. Just because I encourage people to take advantage of forums doesn't mean I'm engaged in some sinister plot to somehow undermine every forum on the Internet.

Brown Cafe has no obligation to monitor the Communication Services. However, Brown Cafe reserves the right to review materials posted to this board and to remove any materials in its sole discretion. Brown Cafe reserves the right to terminate your access to any or all of the Brown Cafe Board any time, without notice, for any reason whatsoever.

Fair enough. However, you still didn't answer my question: Do your rules forbid members to include links in their signatures? If they don't, then don't insinuate that I did something unethical by including links in my signature.

Like I said, you can't have it both ways.

 

[diesel96]

Undeliverable goals? The last I heard he was making foreign corporations pay a fairer share price for Venezuela's oil. He's also imported Cuban doctors.

And, yes, Venezuela was indeed controlled by a relative handful of super wealthy individuals. I believe that's one of the things Chavez is trying to change.

Don't forget to tell your subjects about Chavez closing down opposition radio/TV Stations....something I thought you like to abuse also, free speech and advertising.

As for communism, I think every form of government has its place. Communism worked fine for Native Americans. I can't imagine the Sioux or the Apache embracing capitalism. I think communism may have also been a good thing for China about the time it was escaping the clutches of Europeans and Americans. After all, there were a lot of Chinese, and their main goal was survival - as in getting enough to eat.

Love him or hate him, Mao Tse Tung helped transform China from a nation where starvation was a fact of life to a nation that was merely poor and miserable. At least, I think I have my facts right.
Tell that to the dead chinese female babies that were slaughtered simply for being females.