MAKAVELI
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Which one of those names refers to skin color?
Washington Redskins change their name
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realbrown1
Annoy a liberal today. Hit them with facts.
Who has red skin besides sunburned people? Native Americans have brown skin.Which one of those names refers to skin color?
MAKAVELI
Well-Known Member
Your ignorance knows no bounds.
Nimnim
The Nim
Your ignorance knows no bounds.
You seem to underestimate the ignorance of the younger population. You could ask many 20 somethings or under what redskin means, some may say it's a reference to the native americans, some may say it's in reference to the football team, but I'm sure most will give you a glazed look while trying to think of any social networking campaign they might have heard of that involved "redskin."
I'm certain most will not have any negative connotation to the term "redskin" unless they've been instructed to by some group or media outlet they attach themselves to. If it's not something that benefits them personally they don't care about it because they have things that matter to them more to worry about.
MAKAVELI
Well-Known Member
Usually people that make statements like yours are just old and out of touch with the youth.
UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)
Well-Known Member
Slow day?
The kansas city cheif, Atlanta braves, Chicago blackhawks all need to have their names changed. They offend me.
bottomups
Bad Moon Risen'
As a recipient of a vasectomy years ago, I am offended by superballs!
olroadbeech
Happy Verified UPSer
PETA will be offended by the lions, broncos,tigers, jayhawks, penguins, orioles, bluejays, panthers, razorbacks, and about 20 other teams.
MrFedEx
Engorged Member
Your ignorance offends me. Go have some biscuits and gravy to go along with your Bud. Me and the wife are having fried chicken, malt liquor, and watermelon tonight. Do all rednecks have as much trouble with spelling as you do?
tourists24
Well-Known Member
The New Orleans Saints are next.... such hate
http://www.rantsports.com/nfl/2015/07/12/new-orleans-saints-logo-is-a-symbol-of-slavery/
http://www.rantsports.com/nfl/2015/07/12/new-orleans-saints-logo-is-a-symbol-of-slavery/
Didn't want to spring for the grape soda?
Calling one a redneck is WORSE than me calling somebody a N.... I'll put this next part in large letters, so maybe you'll read and comprehend it.
MY use of the word N..... refers to an attitude displayed by the person. White's have it, blacks have it, asian's, hispanics, they ALL display N..... tendencies.
So for your use of the term redneck as a broad, sweeping generalization, I will now insist upon calling you a racist.
Beer sucks, I don't like gravy, and am not from the south
Any other totally wrong assumptions about me you'd like to try to associate me with?
Didn't want to spring for the grape soda?
Calling one a redneck is WORSE than me calling somebody a N.... I'll put this next part in large letters, so maybe you'll read and comprehend it.
MY use of the word N..... refers to an attitude displayed by the person. White's have it, blacks have it, asian's, hispanics, they ALL display N..... tendencies.
So for your use of the term redneck as a broad, sweeping generalization, I will now insist upon calling you a racist.
Beer sucks, I don't like gravy, and am not from the south
Any other totally wrong assumptions about me you'd like to try to associate me with?
No need to "associate" anything to you... You have done that all by yourself, then confirmed it over and over.
Words can be a tricky thing.
TOS.
MrFedEx
Engorged Member
Didn't want to spring for the grape soda?
Calling one a redneck is WORSE than me calling somebody a N.... I'll put this next part in large letters, so maybe you'll read and comprehend it.
MY use of the word N..... refers to an attitude displayed by the person. White's have it, blacks have it, asian's, hispanics, they ALL display N..... tendencies.
So for your use of the term redneck as a broad, sweeping generalization, I will now insist upon calling you a racist.
Beer sucks, I don't like gravy, and am not from the south
Any other totally wrong assumptions about me you'd like to try to associate me with?
Thanks! Being called a racist by you is actually a compliment. Logically, someone who is an actual racist like yourself calling me a "racist" makes me a non-racist.
What I find amazing about this issue, is how many different ridiculous alternatives are suggested versus actually having an intelligent discussion on this matter.
Those that find it ridiculous that the team change the name deliberately try to IGNORE the history of this country. What those that want the name to be kept think, is that somehow, the term REDSKIN was created for football, and it doesnt have a negative connotation to it's use.
But like has been discussed before, the TERMS origins are very racial and criminal in nature.
There is NO appropriate use of the term REDSKIN in the american language when associated with an indian head.
The term REDSKIN was a term that was created as slang for indians all across this country. The term REDSKIN is no better than CHINK, WAP, JAP,
, POLLOCK, KRAUT, GOOK, SLOPE, BEANER and Nggrr. It carries the same negative connotation towards the indians as does all the others mentioned when dealing with race.
REDSKIN in this country, when associated with an INDIAN head, represents a DARK and UGLY part of the American Genocide of the indians.
Bounties were paid for INDIAND HEADS and scalps in many states. The "Paymaster" of the state used an INDIAN HEAD with feathers in the hair as its logo for the militia men who went out and HUNTED indians ( men women and children )
Pay scales for men, women and children were created and it wasnt a surprise to see men with wagons or mules riding into town to the paymaster with sacks of indian heads seeking reimbursement.
During the gold rush in california, almost a million indians were killed and bounties paid for heads and scalps.
This is and was a disgusting part of american society, and to worship a logo, with the IDENTICAL slang term used by the PAYMASTERS, along with a side view of an INDIAN HEAD with two feathers in it, demonstrates how INCONSIDERATE people can be towards the american indian.
To compare actual tribe names or honor terms like the Blackhawks, Seminoles, Braves, Chiefs, Warriors and such is completely LUDICROUS given the history of the term REDSKIN.
http://nativeamericannetroots.net/diary/143
Excerpt:
Genocide of Native People
No group suffered as much from the Gold Rush as California's Native peoples. Estimates of the number of Native people in the area that is now California, before the arrival of Europeans, range from 310,000 to 705,000. Even before the Gold Rush the population of Native people in California had fallen to 150,000 due to the Mission system and diseases introduced by Spanish and Mexican settlers. The remaining Indian population was decimated during the Gold Rush. By 1870 the number of Native people had plummeted to 31,000 according to the California census.
Some 4,000 Indian miners were reported prospecting for gold the summer following the discovery at Sutter's mill, usually working for white people. But new laws were quickly passed to prohibit the use of Indians in the mines. Then, the California government adopted a systematic policy of genocide.
In his January 1851 message to the California legislature, California Governor Peter H. Burnett promised "a war of extermination will continue to be waged between the two races until the Indian race becomes extinct." Newspapers cheered on the campaign. In 1853 the Yreka Herald called on the government to provide aid to "enable the citizens of the north to carry on a war of extermination until the last redskin of these tribes has been killed. Extermination is no longer a question of time--the time has arrived, the work has commenced and let the first man who says treaty or peace be regarded as a traitor." Other newspapers voiced similar sentiments.
Towns offered bounty hunters cash for every Indian head or scalp they obtained. Rewards ranged from $5 for every severed head in Shasta City in 1855 to 25 cents for a scalp in Honey Lake in 1863. One resident of Shasta City wrote about how he remembers seeing men bringing mules to town, each laden with eight to twelve Indian heads. Other regions passed laws that called for collective punishment for the whole village for crimes committed by Indians, up to the destruction of the entire village and all of its inhabitants. These policies led to the destruction of as many as 150 Native communities.
In both 1851 and 1852 California paid out $1 million--revenue from the gold fields--to militias that hunted down and slaughtered Indians. In 1857, the state issued $400,000 in bonds to pay for anti-Indian militias.
The Alta Californian newspaper reported on a massacre of Native People carried out by Captain Jarboe in 1860: "The attacking party rushed upon them, blowing out their brains and splitting their heads open with tomahawks. Little children in baskets, and even babes, had their heads smashed to pieces or cut open. Mothers and infants shared the same phenomenon.... Many of the fugitives were chased or shot as they ran.... The children, scarcely able to run, toddled toward the squaws for protection, crying with fright, but were overtaken, slaughtered like wild animals and thrown into piles."
On April 12, 1860 the state legislature approved $9,347.39 for "payment of the indebtedness incurred by the expedition against the Indians in the County of Mendocino organized under the command of Captain W. S. Jarboe in 1859." California's governor wrote a letter to Jarboe congratulating him for doing "all that was anticipated" and giving his "sincere thanks for the manner in which it [the campaign] was conducted."
In 1850 California passed the so-called "Act for the Government and Protection of the Indians." This act allowed any white settler to force any Indian found to be without means of support to work for him. Since Indians could not testify against white people in court, almost any Indian could be seized as a virtual slave under this law. Many settlers didn't even bother with the law and purchased Indian children outright. Fortunes were made off the sale of Indian women and children.
An editorial in the Marysville Appeal illustrates this practice: "But it is from these mountain tribes that white settlers draw their supplies of kidnapped children, educated as servants, and women for purposes of labor and lust...there are parties in the northern portion of the state whose sole occupation has been to steal young children and squaws ...and dispose of them at handsome prices to the settlers who...willingly pay $50 or $60 for a young Digger to cook or wait upon them, or $100 for a likely young girl."
In order to clear the way for white settlement, the U.S. Senate in 1853 authorized three commissioners to negotiate treaties with the Indian tribes in California. Eighteen treaties were negotiated. The Indian tribes agreed to give away millions of acres of land in exchange for the U.S. government's promise of protection and lands with adequate water and game to sustain them and their way of life. These lands would have contained about 7.5 million acres, or 7.5 percent of the land area of California. The Indians began moving to their new lands only to find out that the U.S. Senate had refused to ratify their treaties.
Instead of the treaties, the U.S. decided on "a system of military posts" on government-owned reservations. Each of these reservations would put into place a "system of discipline and instruction." The cost of the troops would be "borne by the surplus produce of Indian labor." No treaties were to be negotiated with the Indians; instead they would be "invited to assemble within these reserves."
Native people were rounded up at gunpoint and forced to march to the "reservations." In her poem, History Lesson, the Native American poet Janice Gould described the forced resettlement of Native People in Northern California: "The removal has taken two weeks and of the 461 Indians that began this miserable trek, only 277 have come to Round Valley. Many died as follows: Men were shot who tried to escape. The sick or the old or women were speared if they could not keep up, bayonets being used to conserve ammunition. Babies were also killed, taken by the feet and swung against trees or rocks to crack their skulls."
Indians on reservations were hired out to settlers to do the work of pack animals. A settler reported that in 1857: "About 300 died on the reservation from the effects of packing them through the mountains in the snow and mud...They were worked naked with the exception of deer skins around their shoulders...They usually packed 50 pounds if they were able..."
Although vastly outgunned and outnumbered, California Indians resisted the genocidal war being waged against them. One of the most famous acts of resistance was the Modoc War in the early 1870s. The Modoc left the reservation that they had been forced to live in and returned to ancestral lands in the lava bed region of Siskiyou County. Under the leadership of a Kentipoos, also known as Captain Jack, 150 Modoc warriors fought valiantly against over 1,000 U.S. troops. They were able to hold off the troops for months. After army howitzers and lack of water weakened the Indian forces, Captain Jack was captured and hung. The war left 83 U.S. soldiers dead and cost the U.S. over $1 million.
*****
an actual printed story in the Eureka newspaper at the time of the gold rush..
""THE STATE REWARD FOR DEAD INDIANS HAS BEEN INCREASED TO $200.00 FOR EVERY REDSKIN SENT TO PURGATORY""....
Many states used the term REDSKINS to describe those human beings it wanted killed and their heads severed....
So i ask you all, "IF THIS IS THE ACTUAL HISTORY OF THE WORD/TERM - REDSKIN, dont we owe it to the INDIANS to remove from existence?"
Or are you still willing to look the other way and act like the WHITE PEOPLE of the time and disregard the indians and their culture and continue to use it allbeit a Severed head on a helmet with two feathers in it and the term REDSKINS associated with it?
If those people who think the term is a benign or innocent use of a slang word, I say, you are insensitive and lack a moral conscience for thinking in this fashion.
TOS.
Those that find it ridiculous that the team change the name deliberately try to IGNORE the history of this country. What those that want the name to be kept think, is that somehow, the term REDSKIN was created for football, and it doesnt have a negative connotation to it's use.
But like has been discussed before, the TERMS origins are very racial and criminal in nature.
There is NO appropriate use of the term REDSKIN in the american language when associated with an indian head.
The term REDSKIN was a term that was created as slang for indians all across this country. The term REDSKIN is no better than CHINK, WAP, JAP,
, POLLOCK, KRAUT, GOOK, SLOPE, BEANER and Nggrr. It carries the same negative connotation towards the indians as does all the others mentioned when dealing with race.REDSKIN in this country, when associated with an INDIAN head, represents a DARK and UGLY part of the American Genocide of the indians.
Bounties were paid for INDIAND HEADS and scalps in many states. The "Paymaster" of the state used an INDIAN HEAD with feathers in the hair as its logo for the militia men who went out and HUNTED indians ( men women and children )
Pay scales for men, women and children were created and it wasnt a surprise to see men with wagons or mules riding into town to the paymaster with sacks of indian heads seeking reimbursement.
During the gold rush in california, almost a million indians were killed and bounties paid for heads and scalps.
This is and was a disgusting part of american society, and to worship a logo, with the IDENTICAL slang term used by the PAYMASTERS, along with a side view of an INDIAN HEAD with two feathers in it, demonstrates how INCONSIDERATE people can be towards the american indian.
To compare actual tribe names or honor terms like the Blackhawks, Seminoles, Braves, Chiefs, Warriors and such is completely LUDICROUS given the history of the term REDSKIN.
http://nativeamericannetroots.net/diary/143
Excerpt:
Genocide of Native People
No group suffered as much from the Gold Rush as California's Native peoples. Estimates of the number of Native people in the area that is now California, before the arrival of Europeans, range from 310,000 to 705,000. Even before the Gold Rush the population of Native people in California had fallen to 150,000 due to the Mission system and diseases introduced by Spanish and Mexican settlers. The remaining Indian population was decimated during the Gold Rush. By 1870 the number of Native people had plummeted to 31,000 according to the California census.
Some 4,000 Indian miners were reported prospecting for gold the summer following the discovery at Sutter's mill, usually working for white people. But new laws were quickly passed to prohibit the use of Indians in the mines. Then, the California government adopted a systematic policy of genocide.
In his January 1851 message to the California legislature, California Governor Peter H. Burnett promised "a war of extermination will continue to be waged between the two races until the Indian race becomes extinct." Newspapers cheered on the campaign. In 1853 the Yreka Herald called on the government to provide aid to "enable the citizens of the north to carry on a war of extermination until the last redskin of these tribes has been killed. Extermination is no longer a question of time--the time has arrived, the work has commenced and let the first man who says treaty or peace be regarded as a traitor." Other newspapers voiced similar sentiments.
Towns offered bounty hunters cash for every Indian head or scalp they obtained. Rewards ranged from $5 for every severed head in Shasta City in 1855 to 25 cents for a scalp in Honey Lake in 1863. One resident of Shasta City wrote about how he remembers seeing men bringing mules to town, each laden with eight to twelve Indian heads. Other regions passed laws that called for collective punishment for the whole village for crimes committed by Indians, up to the destruction of the entire village and all of its inhabitants. These policies led to the destruction of as many as 150 Native communities.
In both 1851 and 1852 California paid out $1 million--revenue from the gold fields--to militias that hunted down and slaughtered Indians. In 1857, the state issued $400,000 in bonds to pay for anti-Indian militias.
The Alta Californian newspaper reported on a massacre of Native People carried out by Captain Jarboe in 1860: "The attacking party rushed upon them, blowing out their brains and splitting their heads open with tomahawks. Little children in baskets, and even babes, had their heads smashed to pieces or cut open. Mothers and infants shared the same phenomenon.... Many of the fugitives were chased or shot as they ran.... The children, scarcely able to run, toddled toward the squaws for protection, crying with fright, but were overtaken, slaughtered like wild animals and thrown into piles."
On April 12, 1860 the state legislature approved $9,347.39 for "payment of the indebtedness incurred by the expedition against the Indians in the County of Mendocino organized under the command of Captain W. S. Jarboe in 1859." California's governor wrote a letter to Jarboe congratulating him for doing "all that was anticipated" and giving his "sincere thanks for the manner in which it [the campaign] was conducted."
In 1850 California passed the so-called "Act for the Government and Protection of the Indians." This act allowed any white settler to force any Indian found to be without means of support to work for him. Since Indians could not testify against white people in court, almost any Indian could be seized as a virtual slave under this law. Many settlers didn't even bother with the law and purchased Indian children outright. Fortunes were made off the sale of Indian women and children.
An editorial in the Marysville Appeal illustrates this practice: "But it is from these mountain tribes that white settlers draw their supplies of kidnapped children, educated as servants, and women for purposes of labor and lust...there are parties in the northern portion of the state whose sole occupation has been to steal young children and squaws ...and dispose of them at handsome prices to the settlers who...willingly pay $50 or $60 for a young Digger to cook or wait upon them, or $100 for a likely young girl."
In order to clear the way for white settlement, the U.S. Senate in 1853 authorized three commissioners to negotiate treaties with the Indian tribes in California. Eighteen treaties were negotiated. The Indian tribes agreed to give away millions of acres of land in exchange for the U.S. government's promise of protection and lands with adequate water and game to sustain them and their way of life. These lands would have contained about 7.5 million acres, or 7.5 percent of the land area of California. The Indians began moving to their new lands only to find out that the U.S. Senate had refused to ratify their treaties.
Instead of the treaties, the U.S. decided on "a system of military posts" on government-owned reservations. Each of these reservations would put into place a "system of discipline and instruction." The cost of the troops would be "borne by the surplus produce of Indian labor." No treaties were to be negotiated with the Indians; instead they would be "invited to assemble within these reserves."
Native people were rounded up at gunpoint and forced to march to the "reservations." In her poem, History Lesson, the Native American poet Janice Gould described the forced resettlement of Native People in Northern California: "The removal has taken two weeks and of the 461 Indians that began this miserable trek, only 277 have come to Round Valley. Many died as follows: Men were shot who tried to escape. The sick or the old or women were speared if they could not keep up, bayonets being used to conserve ammunition. Babies were also killed, taken by the feet and swung against trees or rocks to crack their skulls."
Indians on reservations were hired out to settlers to do the work of pack animals. A settler reported that in 1857: "About 300 died on the reservation from the effects of packing them through the mountains in the snow and mud...They were worked naked with the exception of deer skins around their shoulders...They usually packed 50 pounds if they were able..."
Although vastly outgunned and outnumbered, California Indians resisted the genocidal war being waged against them. One of the most famous acts of resistance was the Modoc War in the early 1870s. The Modoc left the reservation that they had been forced to live in and returned to ancestral lands in the lava bed region of Siskiyou County. Under the leadership of a Kentipoos, also known as Captain Jack, 150 Modoc warriors fought valiantly against over 1,000 U.S. troops. They were able to hold off the troops for months. After army howitzers and lack of water weakened the Indian forces, Captain Jack was captured and hung. The war left 83 U.S. soldiers dead and cost the U.S. over $1 million.
*****
""THE STATE REWARD FOR DEAD INDIANS HAS BEEN INCREASED TO $200.00 FOR EVERY REDSKIN SENT TO PURGATORY""....
Many states used the term REDSKINS to describe those human beings it wanted killed and their heads severed....
So i ask you all, "IF THIS IS THE ACTUAL HISTORY OF THE WORD/TERM - REDSKIN, dont we owe it to the INDIANS to remove from existence?"
Or are you still willing to look the other way and act like the WHITE PEOPLE of the time and disregard the indians and their culture and continue to use it allbeit a Severed head on a helmet with two feathers in it and the term REDSKINS associated with it?
If those people who think the term is a benign or innocent use of a slang word, I say, you are insensitive and lack a moral conscience for thinking in this fashion.
TOS.
Catatonic
Nine Lives
The term REDSKIN was a term that was created as slang for indians all across this country. The term REDSKIN is no better than CHINK, WAP, JAP,
TOS.
How about Wetback or Border Bunny or the New York Mets?
Click here for more words in TOS's dictionary.
Again, demonstrating insensitivity to the use of slang words designed to be derrogatory..
Offending a person, group or entire race of people isnt FUNNY, or honorable given the history.
Tell me you give a rats ash about the slaughter of the american indians and the cutting off of their heads, men, women and children for money along with calling them REDSKINS and going to the paymaster with the logo of a severed indian head to get cash??
Tell me, you are not horrified by this part of american history?
TOS.
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