What is the REAL reason negotiations have stalled?

[TheOCbaby]

In 2018, there was a clearly divisive wedge issue put forth by the union and UPS that pitted part timers vs. full timers. It was about the creation of the 22.4 positions. Part timers were also granted historically high raises (although we all know it was long overdue by that point). The PT's were quite enthusiastic about it, so they threw their support behind it at the expense of the FT's. The PT's didn't even consider for a moment that had sabotaged themselves in the long run. So let's not pretend for a moment that certain classifications are either more or less honorable than others.

 

[PT Car Washer]

In 2018, there was a clearly divisive wedge issue put forth by the union and UPS that pitted part timers vs. full timers. It was about the creation of the 22.4 positions. Part timers were also granted historically high raises (although we all know it was long overdue by that point). The PT's were quite enthusiastic about it, so they threw their support behind it at the expense of the FT's. The PT's didn't even consider for a moment that had sabotaged themselves in the long run. So let's not pretend for a moment that certain classifications are either more or less honorable than others.

I thought PT didn't vote but you are saying PT pushed for the 2018 contract because it gave them a minimum wage job? Makes perfect sense. NOT.

 

[542thruNthru]

Im assuming this is in response to my post.

The PT's were quite enthusiastic about it.

Don't remember any PTers being enthusiastic about the last contract. You sure you were here for the last contract?

so they threw their support behind it at the expense of the FT's.

Wow I'd love to see where you get your vote stats from. I think you're just trying to make a case for your ridiculous "honorable" statement.

So let's not pretend for a moment that certain classifications are either more or less honorable than others.

All I stated was that it's been said on here and many places by FTers that they will not strike for PTers. Even mentioned that not all have said this. Never said one was better than the other. You want to take that as meaning one is more honorable than the other, that's up to you.

 

[Non liberal]

Im assuming this is in response to my post.

Don't remember any PTers being enthusiastic about the last contract. You sure you were here for the last contract?

Wow I'd love to see where you get your vote stats from. I think you're just trying to make a case for your ridiculous "honorable" statement.

All I stated was that it's been said on here and many places by FTers that they will not strike for PTers. Even mentioned that not all have said this. Never said one was better than the other. You want to take that as meaning one is more honorable than the other, that's up to you.

How about we flip the script. Will PT stand and strike for Ft if our raises aren’t enough? Or will they take their new toys and run home to moms basement?

 

[numberonedriver]

As somebody who pulled himself up by his boot straps and worked with a 104 degree fever during Covid, I think attendance should be more than a cardinal sin—it should invoke capital punishment.

A couple part timers get publicly executed during break and all of a sudden no more attendance issues.

How did you pull yourself up by your boot straps AOC said that was physically impossible.

 

[542thruNthru]

How about we flip the script. Will PT stand and strike for Ft if our raises aren’t enough?
Or will they take their new toys and run home to moms basement?

Sure let's flip it.

I don't see any reason why PTers wouldn't support a FTer strike. It's in their best interest and most have another job that will help supplement the income lost by only recieving a strike benefit check every week(around $200 a week only about $100 less than they make now). I don't know what you mean by new toys. Does this scenario some how add toys to the new contract? Oh another question, does it have to be a basement? Can it be a garage or a guest room? You may not be aware but not every home has a basement.

How much do you lose a week if you don't work? 6 or 7 hundred?

 

[Non liberal]

Sure let's flip it.

I don't see any reason why PTers wouldn't support a FTer strike. It's in their best interest and most have another job that will help supplement the income lost by only recieving a strike benefit check every week(around $200 a week only about $100 less than they make now). I don't know what you mean by new toys. Does this scenario some how add toys to the new contract? Oh another question, does it have to be a basement? Can it be a garage or a guest room? You may not be aware but not every home has a basement.

How much do you lose a week if you don't work? 6 or 7 hundred?

I actually lose about $1300, don’t care where u live, could be a tent in your moms back yard. And the toys will be whatever SOB gets you in the new contract that we will be striking for. I only asked that because when you get your $15 wage increase or whatever it is are you going to strike when ours is only $1.50 yr? I guess we’ll just have to find out. Funny thing, you’re the only one that answered.

 

[PT Car Washer]

I actually lose about $1300, don’t care where u live, could be a tent in your moms back yard. And the toys will be whatever SOB gets you in the new contract that we will be striking for. I only asked that because when you get your $15 wage increase or whatever it is are you going to strike when ours is only $1.50 yr? I guess we’ll just have to find out. Funny thing, you’re the only one that answered.

At my building in 97 it was only delivery drivers that crossed the line. PT held the line.

 

[DELACROIX]

Im assuming this is in response to my post.

Don't remember any PTers being enthusiastic about the last contract. You sure you were here for the last contract?

Wow I'd love to see where you get your vote stats from. I think you're just trying to make a case for your ridiculous "honorable" statement.

All I stated was that it's been said on here and many places by FTers that they will not strike for PTers. Even mentioned that not all have said this. Never said one was better than the other. You want to take that as meaning one is more honorable than the other, that's up to you.

It would be great to see the voting statistics for part time and full time, how many voted and whether they voted for the 2018 Contract or did not...

I know the International has those numbers...till they start becoming more transparent all of us are down to speculating...

Generally the lower seniority part timers do not vote, not worth the effort. Most are figuring on quitting at the end of their shift anyway...

We all would be surprised on how many or our seniority full timers don't bother also...

 

[DELACROIX]

At my building in 97 it was only delivery drivers that crossed the line. PT held the line.

I do remember during on the first day of the strike talking to a young gentleman who was scheduled for his first day of orientation...When he saw the picket line, he just turned around and left...To him it was not worth it, he left with his dignity intact.

 

[UnionStrong]

At my building in 97 it was only delivery drivers that crossed the line. PT held the line.

K. You were probably the first to cross.

 

[Wally]

It worked for Carey back in "97", why argue with success...

The folk that vote get what they want! A win-win! I'm worried that union leadership is more concerned about filling the union dues coffers. To satisfy that need, more part time jobs are needed.

 

[Bubblehead]

Funny thing, you’re the only one that answered.

Nothing really funny about it at all.

That's what happens when you post "Non-sense" to the same crowd repeatedly.

....they filter it out, pass it over and disregard.

 

[Non liberal]

Nothing really funny about it at all.

That's what happens when you post "Non-sense" to the same crowd repeatedly.

....they filter it out, pass it over and disregard.

What are you even talking about? Nobody knows what you’re talking about. Explain yourself, and give reason for it instead of just commenting with rainbows and quills.

 

[Non liberal]

My biggest days by far are Mondays. My rural area grows by 50+ percent. Typical day is 190 miles and on Monday I'm pushing 250. My paid day goes from 9 to 11 hours.

Yeah, that’s what our week used to look like too, it’s flip flopped lately. Thurs and Friday being the busiest days. At least in feeders. Pkg car may be different.

 

[Non liberal]

How many on Saturdays?

They need people to deliver on the weekends, including sundays. How do u suppose they are going to do that? Just because it hasnt happened yet means they can’t be negotiating it now in the contract I guess.

 

[Bubblehead]

They need people to deliver on the weekends, including sundays. How do u suppose they are going to do that? Just because it hasnt happened yet means they can’t be negotiating it now in the contract I guess.

That's not what the discussion was about, it was about how many routes were being run on Mondays verses Saturdays?

....and as usual you are off in the weeds somewhere else.

But since you asked, I will indulge you for the sake of others who might not know.

In the Central Region weekend schedules was negotiated in 1993 and is unchanged since in our present supplement.

 

[Non liberal]

That's not what the discussion was about, it was about how many routes were being run on Mondays verses Saturdays?

....and as usual you are off in the weeds somewhere else.

But since you asked, I will indulge you for the sake of others who might not know.

In the Central Region weekend schedules was negotiated in 1993 and is unchanged since in our present supplement.

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No, AGAIN you are mistaken. The conversation was about employee schedules getting changed to sun-Thurs or tues-sat, of which you chimed in on. AGAIN your head was up your ass, not that you would know what your talking about if it wasn’t.

 

[Non liberal]

That's not what the discussion was about, it was about how many routes were being run on Mondays verses Saturdays?

....and as usual you are off in the weeds somewhere else.

But since you asked, I will indulge you for the sake of others who might not know.

In the Central Region weekend schedules was negotiated in 1993 and is unchanged since in our present supplement.

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And AGAIN you must STILL have your head up your ass because the original conversation was about someone mentioning that his best guess was that the negotiations were paused because they were negotiating changing schedules to accommodate for weekend work which if they are currently negotiating then they wouldn’t have changed YET for the masses. However like I said our automotive has already changed to a split sun-Thurs, tues-sat schedule.

 

[burrheadd]

What are you even talking about? Nobody knows what you’re talking about. Explain yourself, and give reason for it instead of just commenting with rainbows and quills.

I think you’re the only one who doesent know what he’s talking about