What is the REAL reason negotiations have stalled?

[Thebrownblob]

You would think if the contract details were so good ups would have leaked them some way or some how, ups loves a good public image

Soon

 

[DELACROIX]

Central States got handed a big pile of money once before (6 billion + ?) and it evaporated right before their very eyes. Who's to say something similar won't happen this time? I hope the UPS backup remains in place—just in case.

Kind of remember that there was a market crash around that time. That 2008 Contract (Central Buy Out) had almost 8 months before it expired, both the Company and the Union had to rush that contract before the first of January 2008. Something to do with the Feds applying financial penalties to pension trusts that were in the RED, on hindsight we should of voted it down.

Thank God the Union had the common sense to put in language that the Company would still be liable to cover their obligations even if the Central went bankrupt or were forced to reduced their retiree's benefits.

The Union will never back out on that language, even with the recent PGBC bailout...(Trust Issues)...

UPS is not only dealing with the Teamsters, now they have to deal with the Feds...

 

[BrownMonk]

After seeing how poorly the part timers have been treated the last 41 years in contracts I don’t believe for a second that the Union has suddenly decided that Part Time Pay is so important that the members will strike over it. It DOES make a great news story and is good for getting Public Support to swing our way in case of a strike but what are opinions of the REAL reasons negotiations broke down? What is the real reason we may go on strike?

My opinions are the company wants to make things like attendance a Cardinal sin, and wants to make the work week for the vast majority of employees Tuesday-Saturday

Not all of the years have been so bad to the Part timers. I don't believe they are where they need to be to pay them properly or retain good employees, but they have received larger wages than full timers in the last contract. Also, in my building, you aren't a part time employee for more than 3-6 months before you can sign a full time list. There are a few career part timers. They definitely need protected but some of them are making over $30 an hour. They are already said they are voting no if the rate moves up to $20 an hour(over $3 raise) and they only get $2-$3.

 

[BrownMonk]

After seeing how poorly the part timers have been treated the last 41 years in contracts I don’t believe for a second that the Union has suddenly decided that Part Time Pay is so important that the members will strike over it. It DOES make a great news story and is good for getting Public Support to swing our way in case of a strike but what are opinions of the REAL reasons negotiations broke down? What is the real reason we may go on strike?

My opinions are the company wants to make things like attendance a Cardinal sin, and wants to make the work week for the vast majority of employees Tuesday-Saturday

On the cardinal sin change, the company doesn't need a cardinal sin for this offense. A great portion of the part time staff has way above what an arbitrator would consider excessive so long as the company does progressive discipline. We had guys with 10 or more no call/ no show days with 20 call outs and 30% of the time late. They rarely if ever get fired but get an occasional suspension. There may be a higher standard for showing up if they start making money because people will be looking to get into the company and no problem filling positions. It gets harder to file sups working grievances while 30% of the force doesn't show up, but I do it anyway and get paid.

 

[anonymous23456]

Make everyone full-time if they want instead of making them wait for 5-10 years. Anyone who wants to stay at PT will be at different rate than FT. Problem solved. I can't believe we keep having this debate.

 

[twotwofour]

The more UPS negotiates the more they stand to lose on every point.
I assume their strategy is to offer something last minute and hope it passes. Minimize the expected losses.

 

[Johney]

The more UPS negotiates the more they stand to lose on every point.
I assume their strategy is to offer something last minute and hope it passes. Minimize the expected losses.

I'm pretty sure nothing will be sent to the members for vote unless approved by the Teamsters.

 

[TheDudeAbides92]

After seeing how poorly the part timers have been treated the last 41 years in contracts I don’t believe for a second that the Union has suddenly decided that Part Time Pay is so important that the members will strike over it. It DOES make a great news story and is good for getting Public Support to swing our way in case of a strike but what are opinions of the REAL reasons negotiations broke down? What is the real reason we may go on strike?

My opinions are the company wants to make things like attendance a Cardinal sin, and wants to make the work week for the vast majority of employees Tuesday-Saturday

Posturing and fundraising for the IBT

 

[twotwofour]

I'm pretty sure nothing will be sent to the members for vote unless approved by the Teamsters.

It will be the bare minimum of what the Teamsters want to put to a vote.
If they kept talking this entire month there is a real chance the company would offer something more than that. Thats why the talks stopped.

 

[Johney]

It will be the bare minimum of what the Teamsters want to put to a vote.
If they kept talking this entire month there is a real chance the company would offer something more than that. Thats why the talks stopped.

No bare minimum,I believe there will not be anything sent to employees till SOB says it's worth a vote so I'm not sure what you're even talking about.

 

[IVE GOTTA PACKAGE 4U]

No bare minimum,I believe there will not be anything sent to employees till SOB says it's worth a vote so I'm not sure what you're even talking about.

That's what happened in 1997
The language was it good enough so it was never sent out for a vote

 

[Jkloc420]

No bare minimum,I believe there will not be anything sent to employees till SOB says it's worth a vote so I'm not sure what you're even talking about.

I already voted

 

[burrheadd]

Make everyone full-time if they want instead of making them wait for 5-10 years. Anyone who wants to stay at PT will be at different rate than FT. Problem solved. I can't believe we keep having this debate.

I can’t believe you’re still here
Now go’n git

 

[Johney]

I already voted

I know you voted for $10 an hour cut in pay across the board.

 

[IVE GOTTA PACKAGE 4U]

I already voted

No

 

[Jkloc420]

I know you voted for $10 an hour cut in pay across the board.

Yep

 

[UnionStrong]

I know you voted for $10 an hour cut in pay across the board.

And a new fleshlight

 

[DOK]

Well for one, politics. Can't run on removing part time poverty and then turn your back on it the first year. Personally I'm glad he's do this. We have enough division between the FTers and PTers. Selling them out again would only widen it more. With social media the younger pters are getting more accessible and to ignore that would probably be political suicide at some point.

I haven't heard anything about attendance but I do know in my area the company was trying to add "other serious offenses" to our cardinal infractions.

Depending on your supp language the company can already move the vast majority to T-S. 22.4s are gone so now the RPCD language I would assume is as well. I don't know of any language that says routes must be bid M-friend. I do know some areas have a date that FT drivers can not be forced to a Sat schedule but I think that's still pretty low. Like 2008 or something.

I don’t know, thought they said some drivers will be Monday-Friday, some will be Tuesday-Saturday, and will bid as such.

 

[542thruNthru]

I don’t know, thought they said some drivers will be Monday-Friday, some will be Tuesday-Saturday, and will bid as such.

Yes it should be bid by seniority. You'll have the choice by seniority of taking a route that is now T-S.

 

[IVE GOTTA PACKAGE 4U]

Well for one, politics. Can't run on removing part time poverty and then turn your back on it the first year. Personally I'm glad he's do this. We have enough division between the FTers and PTers. Selling them out again would only widen it more. With social media the younger pters are getting more accessible and to ignore that would probably be political suicide at some point.

I haven't heard anything about attendance but I do know in my area the company was trying to add "other serious offenses" to our cardinal infractions.

Depending on your supp language the company can already move the vast majority to T-S. 22.4s are gone so now the RPCD language I would assume is as well. I don't know of any language that says routes must be bid M-friend. I do know some areas have a date that FT drivers can not be forced to a Sat schedule but I think that's still pretty low. Like 2008 or something.

August 31st 1990