What is the REAL reason negotiations have stalled?

[HarryWarden]

No they never include any of that

Who is they? And are you saying UPS didn’t include health insurance and vacations in the 80s…?

 

[Commercial Inside Release]

@burrheadd is just yanking your chain and making a gruff joke.

Unfortunately, increasing pay to eliminate misloads, guarantees misloads. What a convenient way to get raises - just screw up more.

I imagine most center managers heads would explode, if they had to hand out a fist full of cash, instead of their usual shrieking (while supes echo them.)

 

[SorryLazyPOS]

After seeing how poorly the part timers have been treated the last 41 years in contracts I don’t believe for a second that the Union has suddenly decided that Part Time Pay is so important that the members will strike over it. It DOES make a great news story and is good for getting Public Support to swing our way in case of a strike but what are opinions of the REAL reasons negotiations broke down? What is the real reason we may go on strike?

My opinions are the company wants to make things like attendance a Cardinal sin, and wants to make the work week for the vast majority of employees Tuesday-Saturday

I kind of like Tuesday through Saturday. I can go anywhere on Monday and not have a crowd of people everywhere.

 

[I have NOT been lurking]

How much do pre loaders need to keep the misloads to a minimum
Pay them that and let’s move on

40, take it from RPCDs

 

[Coldworld]

I would hope so. If we’re only six or seven dollars away from a part-time starting pay agreement, I can’t believe that’s what we’re striking over and the company of being so stubborn.

I think they’re pissed that Sean is in there not taking any sht… I’m sure they miss their guy hof.

 

[Wally]

How much do pre loaders need to keep the misloads to a minimum
Pay them that and let’s move on

Call in drivers at $60 plus per hour overtime! Helps keep part timers off the clock!

 

[DriveInDriveOut]

I started part time at ups in 2010 at $8.50 an hour, the same inflation calculator says that pay was $11.89 in todays dollar. After 10 years at $18 an hour it’s still more than $13 less than starting wage in the 80s

Why are you a part time employee?

 

[bacha29]

Lol, calm down. Don’t think there will be any violence

After a generation of declining power thanks to the confirmation of conservative antilabor judges, GOP majorities in Congress and in state legislatures resulting in so called "right to work" states this could be the year when organized labor can stem if not reverse the decline. Especially true now that the public is cognizant of the fallacy that all we have to do is to comfort and protect the rich and they in turn will take care of the rest of us. The opportunity now exists to reestablish the balance of social and economic justice that has served the nation well.

Now that SWG and SAG are out and the prospect of UPS in August and the UAW in September looming maintaining a firm but peaceful stand denying shock media the opportunity to scare the nation will become vitally important.

 

[anonymous23456]

After a generation of declining power thanks to the confirmation of conservative antilabor judges, GOP majorities in Congress and in state legislatures resulting in so called "right to work" states this could be the year when organized labor can stem if not reverse the decline. Especially true now that the public is cognizant of the fallacy that all we have to do is to comfort and protect the rich and they in turn will take care of the rest of us. The opportunity now exists to reestablish the balance of social and economic justice that has served the nation well.

Now that SWG and SAG are out and the prospect of UPS in August and the UAW in September looming maintaining a firm but peaceful stand denying shock media the opportunity to scare the nation will become vitally important.

Please...don't blame GOP only. FJB and his son Hunter. Bill Clinton and his "billions of dollars" foundation to do what? FBI and DOJ and FISA court...

The whole group of reptiles are in charged and infected every level of government.

 

[Wally]

 

[DriveInDriveOut]

After a generation of declining power thanks to the confirmation of conservative antilabor judges, GOP majorities in Congress and in state legislatures resulting in so called "right to work" states this could be the year when organized labor can stem if not reverse the decline. Especially true now that the public is cognizant of the fallacy that all we have to do is to comfort and protect the rich and they in turn will take care of the rest of us. The opportunity now exists to reestablish the balance of social and economic justice that has served the nation well.

Now that SWG and SAG are out and the prospect of UPS in August and the UAW in September looming maintaining a firm but peaceful stand denying shock media the opportunity to scare the nation will become vitally important.

Blah blah blah blah blah

 

[Lineandinitial]

factor in the total compensation including heath and welfare o/h vacations and paid sick days.......points of interest....have to consider the whole ball of wax....the whole enchilada, the entire pierogi, the big golumpki...etc

Honesty is a matter of inconvenience for some.
They can't risk being open and honest.

 

[bacha29]

Please...don't blame GOP only. FJB and his son Hunter. Bill Clinton and his "billions of dollars" foundation to do what? FBI and DOJ and FISA court...

The whole group of reptiles are in charged and infected every level of government.

If the GOP had succeeded in it's bitter opposition to the Wagner Act on the floor of Congress and in the courts there would be no IBT and no contract to be negotiated.

Face it. Today if the Wagner Act had not passed and survived numerous GOP court challenges labor unions and efforts to form them would be flat out illegal.

You want to know what UPS would look like? Four prime examples.....Fedex , Tesla, Amazon, Walmart.

 

[DriveInDriveOut]

If the GOP had succeeded in it's bitter opposition to the Wagner Act on the floor of Congress and in the courts there would be no IBT and no contract to be negotiated.

Face it. Today if the Wagner Act had not passed and survived numerous GOP court challenges labor unions and efforts to form them would be flat out illegal.

You want to know what UPS would look like? Four prime examples.....Fedex , Tesla, Amazon, Walmart.

Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah

 

[Undertow]

I think they’re pissed that Sean is in there not taking any sht… I’m sure they miss their guy hof.

Could very well be true and it shouldn't come as all that much of a surprise that the company would look for ways to tarnish his standing especially if it felt his message was receiving more "buy in" from what has often appeared to be a tuned out rank and file membership.

But how far is the company willing to go in attempting to do that and how much collateral damage will be left in the wake of that if it indeed prioritizes denying any kind of "union win" over most everything else?

 

[anonymous23456]

Could very well be true and it shouldn't come as all that much of a surprise that the company would look for ways to tarnish his standing especially if it felt his message was receiving more "buy in" from what has often appeared to be a tuned out rank and file membership.

But how far is the company willing to go in attempting to do that and how much collateral damage will be left in the wake of that if it indeed prioritizes denying any kind of "union win" over most everything else?

Nobody knows. It is the first time that UPS has an outsider as CEO even though she has been on BOD for years.

 

[Undertow]

Nobody knows. It is the first time that UPS has an outsider as CEO even though she has been on BOD for years.

I'd agree. Nobody really does know which is why I'd never assume she and the board are making decisions strictly on the basis of numbers. The company is a major player in ALEC, one of the biggest corporate lobby bill mills to ever excert influence over not only federal but most state legislatures and it desperately doesn't want to appear as if it capitulated to "demands" from a union, which is an entity that the ALEC organization not only wants weakened but pretty much eliminated altogether.

I've read many here floating the theory that the company postponed it's earnings call to August 8th strictly in an effort to conceal increasing profits, which would suggest a reactionary move. What if it's actually a proactive move in a longer term strategy to divide the rank and file? How will hourlies on picket lines feel a week into it if the company comes out and states "Things were looking pretty good until the union leaders got greedy, so now everything we had agreed to before the strike, AC, elimination of 22.4, MLK, is in danger of being off the table..."?

The company didn't invest several decades worth of attempts to render the union ineffective only to watch that pendulum swing back the other way over the course of one contract. If it thinks the chances of inflicting permanent damage on O'Brien and his far more confrontational tone than his predecessor are even close to 50%, then losing a percentage of volume for several years might not cause it to blink an eye much less prioritize that over an ideology it has placed as one of it's core goals for decades on end.

 

[DriveInDriveOut]

After a generation of declining power thanks to the confirmation of conservative antilabor judges, GOP majorities in Congress and in state legislatures resulting in so called "right to work" states

Right to work laws are possible because of the Taft Hartley Act, which 106 of 177 Democrats voted in favor of in the House.

You are a former fed ex employee, who has done nothing in this forum but insult UPS employees and our union.

Now you're trying to divide us on political lines.

Why don't you go back to the FedEx forum and get back to bitching and moaning about how much you hate this country and your life in it.

 

[Pullman Brown]

I'd agree. Nobody really does know which is why I'd never assume she and the board are making decisions strictly on the basis of numbers. The company is a major player in ALEC, one of the biggest corporate lobby bill mills to ever excert influence over not only federal but most state legislatures and it desperately doesn't want to appear as if it capitulated to "demands" from a union, which is an entity that the ALEC organization not only wants weakened but pretty much eliminated altogether.

I've read many here floating the theory that the company postponed it's earnings call to August 8th strictly in an effort to conceal increasing profits, which would suggest a reactionary move. What if it's actually a proactive move in a longer term strategy to divide the rank and file? How will hourlies on picket lines feel a week into it if the company comes out and states "Things were looking pretty good until the union leaders got greedy, so now everything we had agreed to before the strike, AC, elimination of 22.4, MLK, is in danger of being off the table..."?

The company didn't invest several decades worth of attempts to render the union ineffective only to watch that pendulum swing back the other way over the course of one contract. If it thinks the chances of inflicting permanent damage on O'Brien and his far more confrontational tone than his predecessor are even close to 50%, then losing a percentage of volume for several years might not cause it to blink an eye much less prioritize that over an ideology it has placed as one of it's core goals for decades on end.

There was a study done by someone at MIT, I think, that concluded that earnings reports pushed back more than five days was not a good sign versus reports moved forward were a good sign. But I don’t know if it’s data included circumstances of a possible strike. I don’t think the profit/loss data of Aug 1-8 would be included in the second quarter and you could make the same point by revealing that information before August 1 right before a possible strike.

 

[anonymous23456]

There was a study done by someone at MIT, I think, that concluded that earnings reports pushed back more than five days was not a good sign versus reports moved forward were a good sign. But I don’t know if it’s data included circumstances of a possible strike. I don’t think the profit/loss data of Aug 1-8 would be included in the second quarter and you could make the same point by revealing that information before August 1 right before a possible strike.

Interesting theory. I went and looked. UPS reported 2nd quarter earnings in 2022 on 7/26. So, it is pushed back about 1 week.