What is the REAL reason negotiations have stalled?

[Trucker Clock]

You would know the answer to this. If a tentative agreement is made, legally, the union can’t strike correct? Can you point me to a resource on this.

I'll type this very slowly so that you understand.

A tentative agreement is an agreement, handshake agreement, that both the Union and Company have agreed to. This means that the Union is satisfied with this agreement and will recommend a yes vote to the members.

OK, here we go....Pay attention.

Why the hell would the Union then strike before the ratification vote?

The Union will only strike if there is an impasse, no tentative agreement before the expiration of the current agreement, or when the Company gives a last, best, final offer. This LBFO is the last offer from the Company that the Union did not agree with and then we can strike at the expiration of the current agreement because this LBFO was not agreed to.

But, that hasn't happened yet. The Company has not given a LBFO.

They can still come to an agreement before Aug 1st, or we strike if there is no handshake agreement because the current agreement will expire.

Any questions?

 

[Pullman Brown]

What the hell would the strike be for then? Obviously not

I'll type this very slowly so that you understand.

A tentative agreement is an agreement, handshake agreement, that both the Union and Company have agreed to. This means that the Union is satisfied with this agreement and will recommend a yes vote to the members.

OK, here we go....Pay attention.

Why the hell would the Union then strike before the ratification vote?

The Union will only strike if there is an impasse, no tentative agreement before the expiration of the current agreement, or when the Company gives a last, best, final offer. This LBFO is the last offer from the Company that the Union did not agree with and then we can strike at the expiration of the current agreement because this LBFO was not agreed to.

But, that hasn't happened yet. The Company has not given a LBFO.

They can still come to an agreement before Aug 1st, or we strike if there is no handshake agreement because the current agreement will expire.

Any questions?

Settle down. If you knew what I knew you wouldn’t have written that. Stop being arrogant!

 

[Pullman Brown]

I'll type this very slowly so that you understand.

A tentative agreement is an agreement, handshake agreement, that both the Union and Company have agreed to. This means that the Union is satisfied with this agreement and will recommend a yes vote to the members.

OK, here we go....Pay attention.

Why the hell would the Union then strike before the ratification vote?

The Union will only strike if there is an impasse, no tentative agreement before the expiration of the current agreement, or when the Company gives a last, best, final offer. This LBFO is the last offer from the Company that the Union did not agree with and then we can strike at the expiration of the current agreement because this LBFO was not agreed to.

But, that hasn't happened yet. The Company has not given a LBFO.

They can still come to an agreement before Aug 1st, or we strike if there is no handshake agreement because the current agreement will expire.

Any questions?

 

[Pullman Brown]

.

 

[deeztier]

In 2018, there was a clearly divisive wedge issue put forth by the union and UPS that pitted part timers vs. full timers. It was about the creation of the 22.4 positions. Part timers were also granted historically high raises (although we all know it was long overdue by that point). The PT's were quite enthusiastic about it, so they threw their support behind it at the expense of the FT's. The PT's didn't even consider for a moment that had sabotaged themselves in the long run. So let's not pretend for a moment that certain classifications are either more or less honorable than others.

heads so far up Hoffa's arse. i remember one of the BAs going all over social media promoting "best contract ever" "richest contract" "vote yes" , same sucker is out there practice picketing now.

Richest UPS Contract in History

The five-year contract covering about 250,000 Teamster-represented workers at UPS took effect in late April, increasing wages, protecting benefits and creating thousands of new full-time jobs.

teamster.org

 

[Trucker Clock]

Settle down. If you knew what I knew you wouldn’t have written that. Stop being arrogant!

Trust me, I know more than you think I know.

I don't know O'Brien, have only met him a few times, but I do know, and am good friends with, several Teamster VP's. A couple that are actually on the negotiating committee.

Tune into the Webinar tomorrow at noon.

Oh, and I forgot to mention. If the tentative agreement is turned down by us, we can strike. But that will not happen unless and until O'Brien finds out why we turned it down and tries to re-negotiate those issues with the Company.

 

[HarryWarden]

Trust me, I know more than you think I know.

I don't know O'Brien, have only met him a few times, but I do know, and am good friends with, several Teamster VP's. A couple that are actually on the negotiating committee.

Tune into the Webinar tomorrow at noon.

Oh, and I forgot to mention. If the tentative agreement is turned down by us, we can strike. But that will not happen unless and until O'Brien finds out why we turned it down and tries to re-negotiate those issues with the Company.

Are you saying they are going to announce an agreement tomorrow?

 

[mikejonesjr]

Trust me, I know more than you think I know.

I don't know O'Brien, have only met him a few times, but I do know, and am good friends with, several Teamster VP's. A couple that are actually on the negotiating committee.

Tune into the Webinar tomorrow at noon.

Oh, and I forgot to mention. If the tentative agreement is turned down by us, we can strike. But that will not happen unless and until O'Brien finds out why we turned it down and tries to re-negotiate those issues with the Company.

What are you saying you know? They haven’t been negotiating their isn’t much to know til they go back

 

[Pullman Brown]

Trust me, I know more than you think I know.

I don't know O'Brien, have only met him a few times, but I do know, and am good friends with, several Teamster VP's. A couple that are actually on the negotiating committee.

Tune into the Webinar tomorrow at noon.

Oh, and I forgot to mention. If the tentative agreement is turned down by us, we can strike. But that will not happen unless and until O'Brien finds out why we turned it down and tries to re-negotiate those issues with the Company.

I never said you didn’t know stuff, I said you weren’t knowledgeable about my situation, which led me to asking the question.

 

[Trucker Clock]

What are you saying you know? They haven’t been negotiating their isn’t much to know til they go back

They don't have to negotiate. O'Brien never put a set number on the PT wages. Everything else was done. O'Brien only told UPS that he will let them know when they reach the magic number.

UPS could very well have sent O'Brien an offer that he likes without going to DC to "negotiate."

 

[Pullman Brown]

Trust me, I know more than you think I know.

I don't know O'Brien, have only met him a few times, but I do know, and am good friends with, several Teamster VP's. A couple that are actually on the negotiating committee.

Tune into the Webinar tomorrow at noon.

Oh, and I forgot to mention. If the tentative agreement is turned down by us, we can strike. But that will not happen unless and until O'Brien finds out why we turned it down and tries to re-negotiate those issues with the Company.

There is no tentative agreement right now.

 

[Trucker Clock]

I never said you didn’t know stuff, I said you weren’t knowledgeable about my situation, which led me to asking the question.

Fair enough.

 

[Trucker Clock]

There is no tentative agreement right now.

OK

 

[Pullman Brown]

They don't have to negotiate. O'Brien never put a set number on the PT wages. Everything else was done. O'Brien only told UPS that he will let them know when they reach the magic number.

UPS could very well have sent O'Brien an offer that he likes without going to DC to "negotiate."

You’re speaking code, you said you knew people on the committee, you told me to watch the webinar, you said you know things……..

 

[Pullman Brown]

OK

Maybe there is maybe there isn’t

 

[HarryWarden]

OK

Are you saying that’s true?

 

[HarryWarden]

They don't have to negotiate. O'Brien never put a set number on the PT wages. Everything else was done. O'Brien only told UPS that he will let them know when they reach the magic number.

UPS could very well have sent O'Brien an offer that he likes without going to DC to "negotiate."

O Brian said in an interview the other day that there is a “$6-7 difference in pay agreement for part timers” though

 

[upschuck]

Are you saying that’s true?

I'd say he is just saying to think what he wants.

 

[mikejonesjr]

As someone who also knows people who speak to some on the committee there is no update it’s still a stalemate

 

[Coldworld]

As someone who also knows people who speak to some on the committee there is no update it’s still a stalemate

Have they been meeting “behind the scenes?” The couple people who are on the national negotiating committee from here are home.