What is the REAL reason negotiations have stalled?

Karma...

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17 is too low....20 is reasonable......you get what you pay for......in this case a better job.....at one point we paid much better and people would work hard and never take time off.....win win........best part time job ever.....when I got of the marines I was making just over 6 dollars an hour.......I doubt if I currently would come to ups for what the pay is now.......too low....it's true I was long term management but I always put myself in the other persons shoes and I never lost either appreciation for the job or perspective.....pt people flow the service and must be recognized for that.
 

Undertow

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17 is too low....20 is reasonable......you get what you pay for......in this case a better job.....at one point we paid much better and people would work hard and never take time off.....win win........best part time job ever.....when I got of the marines I was making just over 6 dollars an hour.......I doubt if I currently would come to ups for what the pay is now.......too low....it's true I was long term management but I always put myself in the other persons shoes and I never lost either appreciation for the job or perspective.....pt people flow the service and must be recognized for that.
I've asked myself something similar over the years. Would I take a part time position today doing essentially the same work there for far less starting wages than when I began there in the mid '80's? I have my doubts.

I do remember some of the HR people were expressing more frustration about how much time they felt was being wasted going through the interviewing and processing of new hires only to see so many quit within the first week. That of course was when the buildings actually had HR people.
 

Coldworld

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If we assume the leaked UPS proposal is accurate ($17 start) he wants PT at $23-24.
If they are so far apart on wages they need to split it down the middle and push for more full time jobs then. the people who want to work pt for the benefits can be here for that and get a bump in pay. The others who want a large pay bump go full time either driver or 22.3. Does anyone know if they have agreed to a number to go for with adding more full time jobs??
 

mikejonesjr

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If we assume the leaked UPS proposal is accurate ($17 start) he wants PT at $23-24.
I don’t think he was referring to starting pay but seniority catch up raises which UPS skipped last contract and that’s why the pay contrast now. He keeps referencing rewarding long term members.
 

Thebrownblob

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If they are so far apart on wages they need to split it down the middle and push for more full time jobs then. the people who want to work pt for the benefits can be here for that and get a bump in pay. The others who want a large pay bump go full time either driver or 22.3. Does anyone know if they have agreed to a number to go for with adding more full time jobs??
We already pay partimers $21 an hour here and we have for more than a year.
 

Thebrownblob

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I know Sean has been pushing for more full time jobs I wonder if an agreement on that number has been finalized?
I would hope so. If we’re only six or seven dollars away from a part-time starting pay agreement, I can’t believe that’s what we’re striking over and the company of being so stubborn.
 

Coldworld

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Agree, it seems like it’s about the long term part-timers.
I would hope so. If we’re only six or seven dollars away from a part-time starting pay agreement, I can’t believe that’s what we’re striking over and the company of being so stubborn.
It seriously could be other things as well… I want the long term pters to rewarded but some of the numbers that have been thrown around is interesting…up to 10 bucks is what I have been seeing. Not saying it’s even true but damn…rumors can be a bitch, especially when you throw in the social media aspect of everything…who :censored2: knows.
 

cynz

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What is wrong with you bacha29
We are striking for a fair wage and fair contract, with better working conditions.
If you are a Fedx employee, if we gain you gain eventually, without paying dues or risking your paychecks.

So far this year every teamsters' contracts have been very good, with striking and without.
 

Coldworld

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I would hope so. If we’re only six or seven dollars away from a part-time starting pay agreement, I can’t believe that’s what we’re striking over and the company of being so stubborn.
That’s why I hope on this call tomorrow morning he gives us a solid outline of what’s going on. Hopefully he won’t repeat the same stuff that he’s been saying on social media and the news. I have had my helmet on this whole time and seriously can’t tighten it any more without choking out!!
 

burrheadd

KING Of GIFS
17 is too low....20 is reasonable......you get what you pay for......in this case a better job.....at one point we paid much better and people would work hard and never take time off.....win win........best part time job ever.....when I got of the marines I was making just over 6 dollars an hour.......I doubt if I currently would come to ups for what the pay is now.......too low....it's true I was long term management but I always put myself in the other persons shoes and I never lost either appreciation for the job or perspective.....pt people flow the service and must be recognized for that.

How much do pre loaders need to keep the misloads to a minimum
Pay them that and let’s move on
 

HarryWarden

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How much do pre loaders need to keep the misloads to a minimum
Pay them that and let’s move on
Starting pay for a part time loader in 1980 at UPS was $8.50. Enter that into an inflation calculator and that equals $31.47

Funny, lot of people on here talk about how they went up the ranks and survived on a part time job and worked multiple jobs, but they were making double what the wage is today. Imagine how much harder that is today to do


I started part time at ups in 2010 at $8.50 an hour, the same inflation calculator says that pay was $11.89 in todays dollar. After 10 years at $18 an hour it’s still more than $13 less than starting wage in the 80s
 

burrheadd

KING Of GIFS
Starting pay for a part time loader in 1980 at UPS was $8.50. Enter that into an inflation calculator and that equals $31.47

Funny, lot of people on here talk about how they went up the ranks and survived on a part time job and worked multiple jobs, but they were making double what the wage is today. Imagine how much harder that is today to do


I started part time at ups in 2010 at $8.50 an hour, the same inflation calculator says that pay was $11.89 in todays dollar. After 10 years at $18 an hour it’s still more than $13 less than starting wage in the 80s

Just answer the question how much do preloaders need per hour to get to an acceptable number of misloads
 

Karma...

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why do you want to only give them the minimum possible? UPS thought the job was worth $30 an hour in the 80s, I don’t see why it’s not worth that now
factor in the total compensation including heath and welfare o/h vacations and paid sick days.......points of interest....have to consider the whole ball of wax....the whole enchilada, the entire pierogi, the big golumpki...etc
 

burrheadd

KING Of GIFS
why do you want to only give them the minimum possible? UPS thought the job was worth $30 an hour in the 80s, I don’t see why it’s not worth that now
factor in the total compensation including heath and welfare o/h vacations and paid sick days.......points of interest....have to consider the whole ball of wax....the whole enchilada, the entire pierogi, the big golumpki...etc

No they never include any of that
 
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