2023 contract

[Thebrownblob]

And what would you be willing to give up? Expanding 22.4? Year round PVDs? More subcontracting?

Why would you need to give anything up? The only issue I see is the possibility of the company fussing about the 22.4. $50 an hour at the end of the contract is very reasonable. Keeping our benefits at the same level is absolutely going to happen. Cola language being changed and made a little better is very reasonable as well. I believe the pension will be increased just like it always is. Why are you even saying anything about PVD thankfully you’re not negotiating our contract because you’ve been on your knees in the office so long you don’t understand how to negotiate.

 

[BadIdeaGuy]

Why would you need to give anything up? The only issue I see is the possibility of the company fussing about the 22.4. $50 an hour at the end of the contract is very reasonable. Keeping our benefits at the same level is absolutely going to happen. Cola language being changed and made a little better is very reasonable as well. I believe the pension will be increased just like it always is. Why are you even saying anything about PVD thankfully you’re not negotiating our contract because you’ve been on your knees in the office so long you don’t understand how to negotiate.

My BA said the company already wants the 22.4s (25.13s in my contract, but same difference) gone.

The company, not even the union. We will see if he’s right.

 

[Thebrownblob]

My BA said the company already wants the 22.4s (25.13s in my contract, but same difference) gone.

The company, not even the union. We will see if he’s right.

That is correct there has been discussions although I’m not certain how high up the chain that desire goes.

 

[I have been lurking]

My BA said the company already wants the 22.4s (25.13s in my contract, but same difference) gone.

The company, not even the union. We will see if he’s right.

I didn't know you were close

 

[BadIdeaGuy]

I didn't know you were close

You’re 705, right?

I always figured Chicago.

I’m 710.

 

[I have been lurking]

You’re 705, right?

I always figured Chicago.

I’m 710.

Yep

 

[KearsargeCoop]

We could do without pt air drivers and pt car wash guys . Create more ft jobs

Sounds like they want to get rid of pt air drivers, by not shuttling late air.

 

[I have been lurking]

Sounds like they want to get rid of pt air drivers, by not shuttling late air.

22.4 was supposed to do that and 22.3

 

[PT Car Washer]

Sounds like they want to get rid of pt air drivers, by not shuttling late air.

PT air drivers are always expendable.

 

[Over70irregs]

With Biden's inflation we need better COLA language, maintain health / welfare, modest pension increases, more teeth on 9.5 dispatch and a top rate of $50/hr. I'd vote yes to that.

Add more presidents then we will have a more solid case when we negotiate. We got them this time. Smelling retro

 

[Over70irregs]

We’ll give up the car wash. Not like they ever seem to be used to wash cars these days.

Man. Called it.

 

[DELACROIX]

Why would you need to give anything up? The only issue I see is the possibility of the company fussing under supplemental language that have not been improved. Case in point the company controlled (UPS Pension Plan) for mostly part timers, the accruing rate stops at 35 years (No improvement even if you work past 35 years).

The IBT/UPS pension plan under the (Central) supplement still have the minimum of 25 years (2,000) before age 57
(2,500) 25 years over age 57

The IBT/UPS pension plan is basically paying about half of the well funded West's pension plan.

Under the West all the part timers can carry over their part time service into their full time years.

Under the Central the part time years are controlled by the Company and is separate from the full time Pension Plans. So you get two checks when you retire, one for your part time years and the other the full time years.

Once a part timer in the Central goes full time they start all over again, we had several part timers retire years ago that discovered that if they stayed part time they would of collected a better pension benefit.

 

[Thebrownblob]

The IBT/UPS pension plan under the still have the minimum of 25 years (2,000) before age 57,
(2,500) 25 years over age 57.

I would love to see some of those moved and improved. There will be contract proposal time. Make your voice heard.

 

[Thebrownblob]

The IBT/UPS pension plan under the (Central) supplement still have the minimum of 25 years (2,000) before age 57
(2,500) 25 years over age 57

The IBT/UPS pension plan is basically paying about half of the well funded West's pension plan.

Under the West all the part timers can carry over their part time service into their full time years.

Under the Central the part time years are controlled by the Company and is separate from the full time Pension Plans. So you get two checks when you retire, one for your part time years and the other the full time years.

Once a part timer in the Central goes full time they start all over again, we had several part timers retire years ago that discovered that if they stayed part time they would of collected a better pension benefit.

Under the central we’re just lucky to have a pension at this point. Next time you go to Vegas lots of your pension money was buried under those buildings.

 

[oldngray]

Under the central we’re just lucky to have a pension at this point. Next time you go to Vegas lots of your pension money was buried under those buildings.

Yet the pension was healthier when controlled by the mob. Decline was after the government stepped in.

 

[Thebrownblob]

I am not A fan of the Democrat party, nor am I a fan of the Republican Party. But sadly only one party was willing to fix the pension mess for thousands of aging retirees. It’s very interesting that both parties will step in to save big businesses and billionaires and they’ll do it quickly. But regular Joe’s get the leftovers.

 

[DELACROIX]

I would love to see some of those moved and improved. There will be contract proposal time. Make your voice heard.

I have .. for over 30 years.. deaf ears all...

 

[Over70irregs]

I am not A fan of the Democrat party, nor am I a fan of the Republican Party. But sadly only one party was willing to fix the pension mess for thousands of aging retirees. It’s very interesting that both parties will step in to save big businesses and billionaires and they’ll do it quickly. But regular Joe’s get the leftovers.

I am not A fan of the Democrat party, nor am I a fan of the Republican Party. But sadly only one party was willing to fix the pension mess for thousands of aging retirees. It’s very interesting that both parties will step in to save big businesses and billionaires and they’ll do it quickly. But regular Joe’s get the leftovers.

Politics are a scam. Vote your check with no blood on your hands.

 

[Thebrownblob]

Politics are a scam. Vote your check with no blood on your hands.

If you’re voting that’s impossible, if you’re voting for the lesser of two evils, you’re still voting for evil.

 

[Over70irregs]

That was for $ voters. Quick and decisive. I tend to vote against death mongers and less amount of lies.