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9/11 Conspiracy Theories
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Jones,
with all due respect, Popular Mechanics documentary on 911 debunking has been debunked itself. From flawed testing, to political opinions, popular mechanics has been criticized by the top scientist in the world. ALL OF THEM.
http://www.infowars.com/articles/sept11/debunking_popular_mechanics_myths.htm
There is no need to "hang out" on crazy websites, there is plenty proof for all to see. I respect that you accept the original explanation of events on 911 and disregard anything that falls outside that description.
I am sure you can explain why no airplane parts were found at the FLT 93 crashsite, or airplane parts at the pentagon, or why WTC 7 has a complete failure of every beam, rivot, bolt, wire, crossmember, weld, brackets on every floor in every square inch of WTC 7 and that they ALL failed simultaneously (at the same time-*for moreluck).
I am sure this is all consistent with every other incident in world history.
We all saw planes hit buildings (agreed) we all saw a fire at the pentagon (agreed) we all saw the towers go down in less than an hour each (agreed), but why didnt the BUSH administration release all the videos of the actual incident at the pentagon? There were plenty of surveilance videos recovered, yet the only one that is released is a "edited" clip from a guard gate?
Why if an airplane hit the trade tower 1, and the theory is that everything burned up completely, right? people, luggage, freight, seats, wings, tail and such, YET, the hijackers passports were found in the rubble UNTOUCHED by fire? In perfect condition. Clear photos, clear pages, no burn marks and no DAMAGE?
Explain that one. Everyone elses stuff incinerated, according to the BUSH administration, except for paper passports of the hijackers?
Give us a break, that is bull O ney.
Peace.
UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)
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Are you suggesting that we used martyrs to make it appear that martyrs destroyed the towers when in fact it was our martyrs that brought the towers down?
There does have to be a good number of people involved, but money is everything. Think about this, a majority of the gold store under the towers is missing. Billions of dollars in gold and silver stored from many countries in under ground vaults at 200 bucks an ounce at the time, today if those people involved were paid with this gold at 1900 an ounce what do you think they would have to say???
Dont any of you find it odd, that in the underground tunnels beneath trade towers 1, there were trucks packed with gold ingots ready to move, but ended up buried until they were discovered? Who ordered this gold transferred? Who loaded it? Nobody knows.
Silence is golden.
Peace.
Dont any of you find it odd, that in the underground tunnels beneath trade towers 1, there were trucks packed with gold ingots ready to move, but ended up buried until they were discovered? Who ordered this gold transferred? Who loaded it? Nobody knows.
Silence is golden.
Peace.
Their "top scientist" is Professor Steven Jones, who also believes that archeological evidence from the ancient Mayans proves that Jesus Christ visited America and other similar nonsense. The only reason he remained in a teaching position as long as he did was because he was employed by BYU and his "research" nominally supported the book of Mormon. His 9/11 nuttiness proved to be too much even for them, and he was finally relieved of his duties and forced into retirement.
Photos of airplane parts at the flight 93 crash site
Photos of airplane parts at the Pentagon
The collapse of WTC 7 has been explained several times in this thread, you just refuse to accept the explanation. No one claims it was due to a simultaneous failure of "every beam and rivet", that's a straw man.
Like I said earlier I recognize that conspiracy theories are rooted in an emotion, not reason. If you're a true conspiracy theorist then any that evidence contradicts you will be either ignored or explained away, usually by claiming that it's all been falsified by someone or discredited by someone else, neither of which is the case with anything I've posted.
A some one pointed out earlier this is no different than birtherism and if you're serious about it then maybe you and Baba have more in common than you realize
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Their "top scientist" is Professor Steven Jones, who also believes that archeological evidence from the ancient Mayans proves that Jesus Christ visited America and other similar nonsense. The only reason he remained in a teaching position as long as he did was because he was employed by BYU and his "research" nominally supported the book of Mormon. His 9/11 nuttiness proved to be too much even for them, and he was finally relieved of his duties and forced into retirement.
Photos of airplane parts at the flight 93 crash site
Photos of airplane parts at the Pentagon
The collapse of WTC 7 has been explained several times in this thread, you just refuse to accept the explanation. No one claims it was due to a simultaneous failure of "every beam and rivet", that's a straw man.
Like I said earlier I recognize that conspiracy theories are rooted in an emotion, not reason. If you're a true conspiracy theorist then any that evidence contradicts you will be either ignored or explained away, usually by claiming that it's all been falsified by someone or discredited by someone else, neither of which is the case with anything I've posted.
A some one pointed out earlier this is no different than birtherism and if you're serious about it then maybe you and Baba have more in common than you realize
Jones,
Good research, but what you MISS, is the fact that there is NO ESTABLISHED proof in that report or any report. IN your own link, its CLEARLY states that they gave "probable scenarios" for the collapse.
PROBABLE.
How is this definition different than the scientists stating a different probability?
Peace.
Scientists always talk in terms of probability, that's just the nature of science.
As to how it's different? Aside from the fact that there are no credible scientists who support the conspiracy theory, there is a huge difference between analyzing the structure of the building and the stresses it was under to determine what caused it to collapse (what the scientists and structural engineers did) and making up a wild story about secret demolition teams, secret payoffs, massive coverups, and President Bush all without a shred of evidence (what the conspiracy guys did).
Catatonic
Nine Lives
Or it could be we just don't care.
My life is much less complicated and stressful since I learned to apply this approach.
Granted, a pack of Navy seals could take me out tomorrow but I'll be totally oblivious.
It is no surprise you dont care, thats the nature of sheeple. You are sold on your dialog. Your party sold it to you, your communication arenas repeat it over and over for your convenience and you are afraid to look outside your comfort zone for the truth.
Life is much simpler that way. I get it.
Peace.
My dear lady,
There are hundreds of documented reports of explosions near or at the towers on 911. Most of those reports are from FIREMEN and POLICE OFFICERS who were there and their testimony disregarded by the 911 commission.
Why not listen to some of them?
If you take the time to listen to the eyewitnesses, are they are alot more of them than i posted, the stories are all the same, planes flew into the top and explosions heard from the basement going upwards. Now, before anyone suggests that jet fuel ran down the floors and caused the fires, DONT, its impossible.
If the firefighters and policemen at the scene are all a part of the KOOK conspiracy crowd, then I guess I have it all wrong.
peace.
Nothing like the words coming right out of the mouths of the firemen inside the building.
Moreluck, you make jokes about explosions, but there were many on 911.. One poster said with all the chaos, it would be easy to conceal explosions. These mens faces are torn up from explosions unrelated to the airplanes that hit the towers.
What more do you need to see to ask questions about the truth?
The planes hit near the top, yet in the basement and the first floors that hold the building, multiple explosions go off causing massive damage. Whoever placed these bombs KNEW that everyone inside would be killed and would never see the light of day to tell the story.
Those that made it, would die of 911 related illnesses and would never testify.
Listen to these men. Do they sound like kooks?
Peace.
Moreluck, you make jokes about explosions, but there were many on 911.. One poster said with all the chaos, it would be easy to conceal explosions. These mens faces are torn up from explosions unrelated to the airplanes that hit the towers.
What more do you need to see to ask questions about the truth?
The planes hit near the top, yet in the basement and the first floors that hold the building, multiple explosions go off causing massive damage. Whoever placed these bombs KNEW that everyone inside would be killed and would never see the light of day to tell the story.
Those that made it, would die of 911 related illnesses and would never testify.
Listen to these men. Do they sound like kooks?
Peace.
island1fox
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Right Bush did it ---according to you and Obama Bush is responsible for everything !!
Island, you are a free thinker, i asked to take out the politics of it all, and look at one piece of 911 and apply science to it. Do you think the firemen in the videos i posted are liars? Do you think they were a part of the conspiracy before 911 was completed?
These firemen are experts in what they do. They know what an explosion is and isnt. Look at their faces, bloodied from debris traveling at high rates of speed, IN THE BASEMENT.
Forget GW BUSH, he was too stupid for something like this. He was only the figure head that could be used for this plan. Something more evil was behind the scenes. Too bad hundreds of firefighters who were eyewitnesses to the explosions were killed and we will never hear what they had to say.
Why is this issue so hard for you all to consider? Was the story of 911 that compelling that you would reject science and accept a narrative of 19 hijackers causing all this mess by themselves?
Why do the doubters accept that melted steel from the towers and WTC7 could come from office fires and office type furniture ranging near 1000 degress, but it takes 2500 degrees to weaken steel?
How does that make sense to anyone? BUSH is responsible for many things in this country and around the world, and his damage continues everyday. Like Reagan, he blamed Carter for 7 years of a bad economic policy and I am sure you believed that one, right?
Obama has done some good things, and In my opinion, has failed in others.
Todays politics are so consumed with destroying each other, that "we" are lost in that debate and its "WE" that end up destroyed. The fat cats running the country still stay rich, and the rest of us get screwed.
All I am asking is to think outside the box on ONE ISSUE on 911. Look into it. Ask questions. You dont have to believe anything I say, look for yourself.
Listen to the firemen in the video I posted. If you think they are sincere and honest, dont you think we should investigate if there were explosions in the basement and first floors?
If there were, dont you think we should find out how they got there? Who placed them there? Why they were placed there?
These were questions that the 911 commission ignored.
America cannot ignore it. The truth is out there.
Peace.
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