brett636
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I guess my post went right over your head didn't it?
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I guess my post went right over your head didn't it?
brett636
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Elections are controlled by those who count the votes...Not paying dues may be the only way to get your voice heard if your representation is not fair.
Brownslave688
You want a toe? I can get you a toe.
It's about choice. I agree everyone should have a choice in joining the union or not.
I don't agree with how the law is currently written though.
Not paying dues is the fast track to having your voice extinguished in the work place.
Brown Spider
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Those who count the votes have no control over the outcome of a local union election. There are stringent rules in place that protect the chain of custody of the ballot. Candidates, whether incumbents or challengers, have no access to the ballots. Today, most local unions contract with an independent election service to administer all aspects of the election and the DOL takes a dim view of any election improprieties.
Not paying dues does NOTHING to get your voice heard! It may allow you to justify your freeloading status...but no one is hearing your voice.
Brownslave688
You want a toe? I can get you a toe.
Really because I would think if the Union doesn't have any money they might want to do something about that.
Unless you're insinuating that they use our health and pension monies to line their own pockets?
Brown Spider
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You've always had that choice! Whether you're in a RTW state or not, you've always had the option to pay an agency fee in lieu of full union dues. That would entail payment of a lesser fee attributed to representation and negotiations only. Maybe not as attractive to the hardcore freeloaders...but it would probably make those of us who are carrying you feel a bit better.
UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)
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The agency fee in my local is 99% of our dues.
Brown Spider
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Hard to believe, Dave. The 1988 Beck decision by the Supreme Court held that agency fees must not exceed that amount which the union can prove is attributed to collective bargaining and representation. Your local union is spending nothing on political action or other activities unrelated to bargaining and representation? And they can prove it?
Brown Spider
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Not insinuating that at all. Never even mentioned health and pension monies! It's unlikely that a handful of RTW freeloaders would have an adverse effect on a local union's finances. However, if that number of RTW freeloaders were to grow, especially within the confines of 1 bargaining unit, the local union may well decide to act in the best interest of the overall membership and disclaim interest in the group that has become a financial burden.
Bottom line...the only voice that union leaders are going to listen to is the voice of an active and involved membership that attends union meetings, asks questions and holds those leaders accountable at election time.
UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)
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In '97 we had a driver who wanted to opt out of the union and that was the figure quoted to him.
Ron Carey lives on
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Been doing a little reading about these crazy unions. Did you know guys and gals died on picket lines. Why didn't they just go to work and do what their boss said. I know smurf stands at attention when his center manager walks in and says " sir yes sir can you give me some more stops today sir" isn't the way it works. Just saying these crazy antics of these union guys are out of control, darnett!!!
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Atomic_Smurf
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I can't imagine union officials lying to a member.
Brownslave688
You want a toe? I can get you a toe.
This isn't 1940.
upschuck
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or the company to its employees. Power corrupts.......
brett636
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You keep telling yourself that and living in your fantasy land. I have only voted for union hall officials once, and it became quickly apparent to me during my experience that the outcome had been predetermined prior to casting my vote.
brett636
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Really? Because as I see it nearly half of the states in this country have RTW laws and my understanding is every UPS facility located in these states are still union...
Fantasy land? Please grace us with an explanation of how you've come to this conclusion with your vast union election experience. Have you ever attended a vote count? Do you have any idea of the safeguards in the process? I didn't think so.
If corporate America had half the scrutiny unions have, there'd be a whole lotta white collars in jail.
Read NM Art 1. The law requires the IBT to represent UPS employees, even freeloaders in RTW states.
brett636
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If the locals were bankrupt it wouldn't matter what the NM says. I'm still not convinced that having choice in this matter is hurting anything or anyone.
