Alison vs Mitch

[av8torntn]

If you had watched the documentary, you would have seen this. Nobody supports ISIS or what they are doing, but you can however, understand how it started, who supports it and why its a growing problem, beyond the HYPE of the right wing propaganda like AV8 and Brownstuff would try to sell you.



TOS.

Just to be clear. My "hype" amounted to nothing more than President Obama telling us how stable Iraq was.

 

[av8torntn]

Again, if you watched the documentary, you would see how ISIS started and the reasons behind it.

Answer me this genius,

How did IRAQ's VICE PRESIDENT ( ALBAGDADDY) who we installed, go from being vice president of IRAQ to the head of ISIS if IRAQ was rebuilding???


TOS.

Vice President of Iraq? While we were holding him in prison? Really? That's your claim?

 

[The Other Side]

Just to be clear. My "hype" amounted to nothing more than President Obama telling us how stable Iraq was.

YOU live on misinterpreted "sound bites" and not reality.

Obama in YOUR own video says clearly that IRAQ is not stable, needs more work, but that work has to come from the IRAQIs and not the men and women in our uniforms.

Regardless, AL Maliki began a series of executions, murder , torture and imprisonment that has led to the creation of ISIS.

This is a FACT. Something you wish to ignore.

Out of context "soundbites" cant fix that.

TOS.

 

[av8torntn]

YOU live on misinterpreted "sound bites" and not reality.

Obama in YOUR own video says clearly that IRAQ is not stable, needs more work, but that work has to come from the IRAQIs and not the men and women in our uniforms.

Regardless, AL Maliki began a series of executions, murder , torture and imprisonment that has led to the creation of ISIS.

This is a FACT. Something you wish to ignore.

Out of context "soundbites" cant fix that.

TOS.

So President Obama bragging about a secure and stable Iraq is simply a misinterpretation? Bahawahawaa

 

[Atomic_Smurf]

YOU live on misinterpreted "sound bites" and not reality.

Obama in YOUR own video says clearly that IRAQ is not stable, needs more work, but that work has to come from the IRAQIs and not the men and women in our uniforms.

Regardless, AL Maliki began a series of executions, murder , torture and imprisonment that has led to the creation of ISIS.

This is a FACT. Something you wish to ignore.

Out of context "soundbites" cant fix that.

TOS.

The instability in Iraq began after our historical president pulled troops out of the then stabilized country. The absence of a U.S. peace keeping force was an open invitation for the militants to take over & the attacks just get more horrific each day. Just saw where 322 members of the Al-Bu Nimr tribe were murdered by Isis including dozens of women and children whose bodies were found dumped in a well. Disturbing to think that this is happening in the world today while liberals make excuses for Islam & its violations against humanity.

 

[Bottom rung]

Officially derailed.

 

[Ron Carey lives on]

Glenn Beck discussed his pre existing condition and admits if it wasn't for his wealth, he wouldn't be alive today. Look it up

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[Atomic_Smurf]

Same can be said for many non-wealthy people that earn their health insurance. Many would be dead had they not worked to earn their health insurance. Its one of the reasons we choose to work while other choose not to.

 

[Atomic_Smurf]

Truly wealthy people like Beck don't buy health insurance. If they go to the doctor they just pay the bill. That's also a great example of how democrats were lying when the were leading voters to believe that the wealthy would be funding Obamacare. In hindsight it is the workers whose plans are being plundered. But you know all that.

 

[BrownArmy]

So President Obama bragging about a secure and stable Iraq is simply a misinterpretation? Bahawahawaa

So President Bush asserting that Iraq was secure and stable and that we could start a timetable for the withdrawal of American Forces was incorrect? Or maybe too optimistic?

Sorry kids, TOS has you schooled on this one.

Obama did exactly what he said he was going to do, bring the boys back home.

Right or wrong decision, that's up to history, but in either case, IRAQ really shouldn't be our concern. The only reason that we're still concerned is because we screwed up by going there in the first place, we broke a bunch of stuff at the 'Pottery Barn', and now we keep getting collection notices to the tune of a $4,000,000,000,000 overdue bill and a bunch of soldiers with PTSD and missing limbs that we can't quite seem to take care of.

WE KEEP STICKING OUR DICKLE WHERE IT DOESN'T BELONG, AND WE WONDER WHY WE WAKE UP WITH A BURNING ITCH.

 

[Atomic_Smurf]

Here's one of Obamacares architects explaining how the stupidity of voters helped them pass the ACA.

GRUBER: "Lack of transparency is a huge political…:

 

[brownmonster]

Truly wealthy people like Beck don't buy health insurance. If they go to the doctor they just pay the bill. That's also a great example of how democrats were lying when the were leading voters to believe that the wealthy would be funding Obamacare. In hindsight it is the workers whose plans are being plundered. But you know all that.

So they don't buy car insurance then either? Clueless.

 

[UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)]

So they don't buy car insurance then either? Clueless.

I guess they carry a roll of bills in case they have an accident.

 

[av8torntn]

Obama did exactly what he said he was going to do, bring the boys back home.

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I agree. President Obama is completely responsible for this fiasco caused by his poor decision to destabilize Iraqs security forces.

 

[BrownArmy]

I agree. President Obama is completely responsible for this fiasco caused by his poor decision to destabilize Iraqs security forces.

You really do like to pick and choose, don't you?

So, take one sentence out of my post to make the point that serves you.

I guess the rest of my post went over your head, eh?

In this case, I concur with President Obama...follow the timeline outlined by Bush JR., and 'bring the boys back home'.

You talk about 'fiasco' and 'poor decisions', and you put that on Obama?

Got it.

 

[The Other Side]

The instability in Iraq began after our historical president pulled troops out of the then stabilized country. The absence of a U.S. peace keeping force was an open invitation for the militants to take over & the attacks just get more horrific each day. Just saw where 322 members of the Al-Bu Nimr tribe were murdered by Isis including dozens of women and children whose bodies were found dumped in a well. Disturbing to think that this is happening in the world today while liberals make excuses for Islam & its violations against humanity.

Well, you have the right wing propaganda down. Maybe you could actually try to understand the realities of IRAQ vs. just holding on to the talking points of the war mongers of fox news.

While you "cry" for the dead that isis kills, where is your outrage over the HUNDREDS of people murdered by AL MALIKI??? LONG before ISIS, the new iraqi government was KILLING hundreds of Sunnis. They were NOT a part of a "stabilized" Iraq. Where was your concern then?

Where is your Indepth opinion of those masacres?

Why did President Obama have to FORCE AL MALIKI to RESIGN as president??

You are so consumed with "hate" for Obama, you can see the forrest from the trees. You can take a lead from the "maroon" who continues to provide his military analysis based on right wing talking points, but why not be smarter than that?

You think that 10,000 troops would have stopped anything? A residual force wouldnt have stopped the government from killing sunnnis by the hundreds.

This issue began in SYRIA, where we have no troops. The SUNNI nations provided arms, cash and support to the rebels in SYRIA as they fought ASSAD. Psst.. ASSAD is SHIA.

ISIS wants to ELIMINATE SHIA's .

That's where your misunderstanding begins.

But lets discuss removing the troops from IRAQ. This deal to remove troops was made by GW BUSH. How about you invest in some historical reflection?

""The U.S.–Iraq Status of Forces Agreement (official name: Agreement Between the United States of America and the Republic of Iraq On the Withdrawal of United States Forces from Iraq and the Organization of Their Activities during Their Temporary Presence in Iraq) was a status of forces agreement (SOFA) between Iraq and the United States, signed by President George W. Bush in 2008. It established that U.S. combat forces would withdraw from Iraqi cities by June 30, 2009, and all U.S. forces will be completely out of Iraq by December 31, 2011"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S.–Iraq_Status_of_Forces_Agreement

The REAL reason troops were withdrawn, is because IRAQ would not insure that American Troops would not have immunity from crimes committed out of combat. Same with Contractors.

Without this protection, troops had to be withdrawn. If they had stayed, you would be complaining today about americans being held in Iraqi prisons for war crimes.

But, of course, you havent thought this all out.

To you, hating on OBAMA for nothing, makes more sense. You and AV8 would rather pretend with make believe facts that serve nothing more than political fodder for the ignorant.

ISIS is a real problem, their intentions created by a genocide of their fellow sunnis and backed up by our own government until the problem reached US interests in Kurdish territories. Until that point, our govenment looked the other way to the hundreds of executions committed by the "new" stabilized Iraqi government.

But, dont let those facts get in your way of hating on president Obama.

Thats the easy road to making friends on this forum.

TOS.

 

[Brown Spider]

I agree. President Obama is completely responsible for this fiasco caused by his poor decision to destabilize Iraqs security forces.

Are you serious? Obama never made a "decision to destabilize Iraqs (sic) security forces." He made a decision to withdraw from a conflict that was OVER! A conflict that our country had done everything possible to honorably resolve! A conflict where too many of our soldiers had given their lives! A conflict that was entered into under the false premise of Weapons Of Mass Destruction that never existed!

Yes...a U.S. President made an incredibly poor decision in Iraq. That President was NOT Obama!

 

[av8torntn]

Are you serious? Obama never made a "decision to destabilize Iraqs (sic) security forces." He made a decision to withdraw from a conflict that was OVER! !

OK. How then did his decision not destabilize the security of Iraq or was President Obama just a liar when he claimed it was stable and secure before he ordered a withdrawal?

 

[av8torntn]

The REAL reason troops were withdrawn, is because IRAQ would not insure that American Troops would not have immunity from crimes committed out of combat. Same with Contractors.

Without this protection, troops had to be withdrawn. If they had stayed, you would be complaining today about americans being held in Iraqi prisons for war crimes.

But, of course, you havent thought this all out.

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Of course I understand President Obama failed to negotiate a status of forces agreement. The failures of our President are vast which a reason why all these democrats got crushed in the recent elections. Such an embarrassment that this lady running for Senate wouldn't even acknowledge that she voted for him for President.

 

[The Other Side]

Of course I understand President Obama failed to negotiate a status of forces agreement. The failures of our President are vast which a reason why all these democrats got crushed in the recent elections. Such an embarrassment that this lady running for Senate wouldn't even acknowledge that she voted for him for President.

Same old song and dance bro. NO matter how many times you repeat the same distortion, it doesnt come true, no matter how well that works for fox news.

TOS.