Overpaid Union Thug
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There is absolutely no contradiction between the two posts. A fence riding liberation attempting to accuse someone of being indecisive is hilarious though. Thanks for that.
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UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)
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Off the top of my head? Sweden.
oldngray
nowhere special
Sweden may have been an example of a socialists paradise but it has had to face some of the real world problems other countries have been dealing with. They are struggling with immigrants that don't fit in to their culture and are also starting to have issues with muslim terrorism. It is also a country that taxes so heavily it discourages people from making more just to give to the government.
DriveInDriveOut
Inordinately Right
I'd love to see a study on what percentage of people pick their own country when asked this question.
UnconTROLLed
perfection
You are a Libertarian, not "libertarian". That is an important distinction. Heard of libertarian communism or libertarian socialism? ;/
Yeah lets go over-board. DESTROYING ALL SECTORS OF THE ECONOMY. Yeah too many are now underpaid with no to low benifits and by giving them something nearing a living wage is what will do us all in. How about those people will consume more and help out having more? As for health care we are the only one's with the crap system, were the only one's that get a 150k snake bite bill etc, yeah that's because it's a great system and any change to that means doom. Sounds like Fox News is talking to me via a forum.
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Communist?
Brownslave688
You want a toe? I can get you a toe.
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Good one comrade!
wkmac
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What am I if I don't agree nor even support Obama, Hillary or Sanders nor for that matter never vote democrat yet:
1) Oppose the present form of capitalism we have now to the point of being comfortable with the label anti-capitalist
2) Fully support absolute free markets
3) Oppose a centralized state
4) Find State intervention as harmful and intended to rig markets rather than to balance (bring fairness) to markets
5) Find the otherwise central state as harmful to both human action and human evolution
6) Advocate for the total elimination of the State
7) Advocate for counter economics which use black and gray markets to tunnel around and under existing economic orders with the goal to weaken or even collapse them
8) Find value in some of Marx criticism of so-called capitalism which he just called capital
9) Consider the anti state communist Bakunin a hero and advocate reading his works ("God and State" a must read)
10) Consider Joseph Pierre Proudhon who said "Property is theft" a hero
11) Consider the Socialist/Mutualist Benjamin Tucker a hero for his advocacy of Free Markets
12) Like socialists like Chris Hedges and economist Gar Alperovitz who advocates for cooperatives and collaborative economics
13) Consider Rothbard, Mises, Hayek, Bastiat must reads
14) Also Adam Smith, David Ricardo, Thomas Hodgkins
15) Consider the American Anarchist Lysander Spooner a big hero
16) Agree and Disagree with Ayn Rand who by her own words was no libertarian nor anarchist and openly detested both
17) I'm VERY ANTI-WAR and like General Smedley Butler who said "War is a racket" agree with him completely
18) I'm pro union but of the pre-gov't intervention kind such as the Wobblies or Knights of Labor who understood that gov't was a force for the bosses and not a force for the interests of the working class. Contract management unionism is a boss system and not a worker system and thus why it no longer works.
I'm also comfortable and have been since the late 80's in calling myself a libertarian (State Delegate to Libertarian Party in early/mid 90's) and of the last 10 plus years having taken libertarianism to its conclusion in anarchism.
So there is a VERY broad brush of me and since you seem to like labeling people and you call yourself a libertarian, what would you call all of this listed above?
This should be fun!
By The Book
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I would say you are an independent.What am I if I don't agree nor even support Obama, Hillary or Sanders nor for that matter never vote democrat yet:
1) Oppose the present form of capitalism we have now to the point of being comfortable with the label anti-capitalist
2) Fully support absolute free markets
3) Oppose a centralized state
4) Find State intervention as harmful and intended to rig markets rather than to balance (bring fairness) to markets
5) Find the otherwise central state as harmful to both human action and human evolution
6) Advocate for the total elimination of the State
7) Advocate for counter economics which use black and gray markets to tunnel around and under existing economic orders with the goal to weaken or even collapse them
8) Find value in some of Marx criticism of so-called capitalism which he just called capital
9) Consider the anti state communist Bakunin a hero and advocate reading his works ("God and State" a must read)
10) Consider Joseph Pierre Proudhon who said "Property is theft" a hero
11) Consider the Socialist/Mutualist Benjamin Tucker a hero for his advocacy of Free Markets
12) Like socialists like Chris Hedges and economist Gar Alperovitz who advocates for cooperatives and collaborative economics
13) Consider Rothbard, Mises, Hayek, Bastiat must reads
14) Also Adam Smith, David Ricardo, Thomas Hodgkins
15) Consider the American Anarchist Lysander Spooner a big hero
16) Agree and Disagree with Ayn Rand who by her own words was no libertarian nor anarchist and openly detested both
17) I'm VERY ANTI-WAR and like General Smedley Butler who said "War is a racket" agree with him completely
18) I'm pro union but of the pre-gov't intervention kind such as the Wobblies or Knights of Labor who understood that gov't was a force for the bosses and not a force for the interests of the working class. Contract management unionism is a boss system and not a worker system and thus why it no longer works.
I'm also comfortable and have been since the late 80's in calling myself a libertarian (State Delegate to Libertarian Party in early/mid 90's) and of the last 10 plus years having taken libertarianism to its conclusion in anarchism.
So there is a VERY broad brush of me and since you seem to like labeling people and you call yourself a libertarian, what would you call all of this listed above?
This should be fun!
UnconTROLLed
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FrigidFTSup
Resident Suit
I was a libertarian in high school. Then I grew up and realized much of the stuff we have now would not have happened had our government been run by libertarians.
wkmac
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There's actually a lot of truth to that.
bottomups
Bad Moon Risen'
New Zealand
oldngray
nowhere special
Where there are more sheep than people? I guess a paradise for some.
JL 0513
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Lot's of people cite Nordic countries and places like New Zealand as great places. They are nice in their own ways especially since the majority of the world's population lives in largely crappy conditions (China, India,...). Keep in mind these are tiny cultures. The United States has more illegal immigrants than the combined population of New Zealand and Sweden. There's more people in NYC and LA alone. It certainly makes things less complicated to deal with.
So are these nice places? Sure. "Greatest country in human history?", I think not. You have to measure history, developments/accomplishments, power, lifestyles, and everything to measure a country's status. The title goes to the USA. It's actually not even arguable if you're thinking rationally.
I can't name a single thing to come out of New Zealand. What do they make or invent of significance? The United States has more inventions than every country combined with just a fraction of the world's population.
How would you like to pay $8.50 for a gallon of gas? Welcome to Sweden. It costs you $6.50/gal in New Zealand. A gallon of milk in NZ is $6.50. Good times. We as Americans too easily forget how good we have it. We have a lot of problems but you really need to look at everything. Why isn't everyone flocking to these places? Why do most aspire to the US? I don't see anyone here getting ready to move to Sweden. Why?
wkmac
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JL 0513
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Yup, our freedom index keeps dropping as our government continues to expand. We've dropped several spots since the 2008 election. Freedom and liberty = small government. We continue to speed in the wrong direction. So tragic.
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