Arizona's anti-imigration law...

[Babagounj]

Do we really want (or need) to militarize our southern border? Would you want to deal with military checkpoints, not just at the border, but within a specified buffer zone of the border?

I visited Mexico once walk right across , had a beer and walked back. No problems, the guards just want to know if I was a citizen, I voluntarily showed my driver license. We had park our vehicle on the USA side, on the drive north we were stopped twice for check points miles from the border.

 

[bbsam]

No --I pay way too much to the government already. Take our Troops --many "NATIONAL GUARD" which I am already paying for away from guarding the Korean Border. Also remove them from Japan, Germany,stop nation building in Iraq and get serious or get out of "Obama's War"

While I don't really disagree with alot of your points, the fact is that none of those things will happen. Therefore the question remains should we increase taxes to pay for that security? Or is this one of the expenses that it's OK to push off on the next generations? Conservatives? What say you?

 

[moreluck]

If I drive south on I-5 just 15-20 mins away from my house and then turn around & drive back.....I have to go through a check point and I'm more than an hour from the border.

 

[UPS Lifer]

Upstate
At some point the Mexican government is going to make no difference at all. One or two cartels will become the over-riding force running the country and they will have no problem picking a gorilla type war with the USA. The seeds are already in place.

I would have no problem writing a check if I knew it was going to be used strictly to enforce our border. I also have no problem with what island1fox is proposing. I like that idea better and I have no problem with our National Guard and Coast Guard protecting us. We should do whatever it takes to make sure Mexico and the cartels know we will protect our border.

Anyone who thinks that the cartels are not in charge of Mexico has their head buried in the sand.

 

[Babagounj]

PHOENIX (AP) — Lawmakers in at least 14 states are collaborating on proposed legislation to deny U.S. citizenship to children of illegal immigrants, according to lawmakers, including the sponsor of Arizona’s 2010 law targeting illegal immigration.

 

[Babagounj]

20-year-old woman student is police chief of violent Mexican town

Indo-Asian News Service, Updated: October 20, 2010 11:37 IST





Mexico City: A 20-year-old criminology student, the only candidate for the position, was designated as police chief in the violence-plagued town of Guadalupe Distrito Bravo, Mexican media reported Tuesday.

Marisol Valles Garcia took charge on Monday of security in the town, population 10,000, on the US border. The community is around 80 km east of Ciudad Juarez, itself regarded as the most violent city in Mexico.

The former mayor of Guadalupe Distrito Bravos, Jesus Manuel Lara Rodriguez, was killed on June 19 at his home in Ciudad Juarez, after receiving death threats.

Valles Garcia said she will not have to fight the drug gangs, which is the responsibility of other law enforcement agencies. Instead, she will pursue preventive programmes in neighbourhoods and schools, and she will be in charge of reclaiming public spaces for the community.



Read more at: http://www.ndtv.com/article/world/2...police-chief-of-violent-mexican-town-61051?cp

 

[UPS Lifer]

Taliban warns U.S. on Arizona Law

This morning, from a cave somewhere in Pakistan , the Taliban Minister of Migration, Mohamed Omar, warned the United States that if Arizona 's Immigration Law is not repealed, Taliban authorities intend to cut off America's supply of convenience store managers and possibly Motel 6 and Super 8 managers.
And, if this action does not yield sufficient results, cab drivers will be next, followed by DELL and AOL customer service reps.
Finally, if all else fails, they have threatened to send us no more candidates for President of the United States.

This is going to get ugly.

 

[moreluck]

 

[bbsam]

PHOENIX (AP) — Lawmakers in at least 14 states are collaborating on proposed legislation to deny U.S. citizenship to children of illegal immigrants, according to lawmakers, including the sponsor of Arizona’s 2010 law targeting illegal immigration.

More legislation DOA.

 

[Lue C Fur]

Taliban warns U.S. on Arizona Law

This morning, from a cave somewhere in Pakistan , the Taliban Minister of Migration, Mohamed Omar, warned the United States that if Arizona 's Immigration Law is not repealed, Taliban authorities intend to cut off America's supply of convenience store managers and possibly Motel 6 and Super 8 managers.
And, if this action does not yield sufficient results, cab drivers will be next, followed by DELL and AOL customer service reps.
Finally, if all else fails, they have threatened to send us no more candidates for President of the United States.

This is going to get ugly.

Now that is funny...even if your a Kool-aid drinkin lefty. LMAO!!!

 

[bbsam]

This thread is still active? They gutted the law. You lost! LOL. Amuse yourselves accordingly.

 

[UPS Lifer]

This thread is still active? They gutted the law. You lost! LOL. Amuse yourselves accordingly.

Interesting deflection. I live here and those who are illegal are either well underground or have left. My landscaper who is a Mexican national apparently hired illegals and he had a lot of problems when his workers who were here illegally left the state.
Your statement reminds me a lot of your president... he says one thing and then you have to watch what he actually does.

You are saying one thing about the law but I am actually seeing the results. Also, contrary to the other major deflection of racial profiling ... I am not seeing any of that either. Now we have to move on to anchor babies.....

 

[Lue C Fur]

 

[bbsam]

Interesting deflection. I live here and those who are illegal are either well underground or have left. My landscaper who is a Mexican national apparently hired illegals and he had a lot of problems when his workers who were here illegally left the state.
Your statement reminds me a lot of your president... he says one thing and then you have to watch what he actually does.

You are saying one thing about the law but I am actually seeing the results. Also, contrary to the other major deflection of racial profiling ... I am not seeing any of that either. Now we have to move on to anchor babies.....

Do you deny the decision of the court? I beilieve you annecdotes soothes your feeling, but they don't change the fact that you lost and will lose on "anchor babies" as well. Thank-you for ensuring the hispanic vote goes heavily for Dems for the next couple generations. Did you know hispanics are the largest growing minority in the country? Of course you did. That's why we have to kill off the "anchor babies". Law: what a nuisance.

 

[Babagounj]

"Every person born within the limits of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law and national law a citizen of the United States. This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons. It settles the great question of citizenship and removes all doubt as to what persons are or are not citizens of the United States. " 1866, Senator Jacob Howard

"Slaughter-House cases" [83 US 36 (1873) and 112 US 94 (1884)]
The Court essentially stated that the status of the parents determines the citizenship of the child. To qualify children for birthright citizenship, based on the 14th Amendment, parents must owe "direct and immediate allegiance" to the U.S. and be "completely subject" to its jurisdiction. In other words, they must be United States citizens.
In 1889, the Wong Kim Ark Supreme Court case10,11 once again, in a ruling based strictly on the 14th Amendment, concluded that the status of the parents was crucial in determining the citizenship of the child. The current misinterpretation of the 14th Amendment is based in part upon the presumption that the Wong Kim Ark ruling encompassed illegal aliens. In fact, it did not address the children of illegal aliens and non-immigrant aliens, but rather determined an allegiance for legal immigrant parents based on the meaning of the word domicil(e). Since it is inconceivable that illegal alien parents could have a legal domicile in the United States, the ruling clearly did not extend birthright citizenship to children of illegal alien parents.
http://www.14thamendment.us/birthright_citizenship/original_intent.html

 

[bbsam]

Calling an interpretation a misinterpretation doesn't make it so. Simply puts forth an opinion. So until the law is clarified by the courts, take a cue from Babs' avatar and "Suck It Up".

 

[1timepu]

C,mon this is the exactly the Federal law copied for Arizona, since Washington isn't doing the job Arizona decided to enforce the law them selves. You can only be pulled over for a violation, once pulled over if they think you are here ILLEGAL they can ask for Identification, now if you are here LEGALLY then u r required to carry yur Visa or green card when evr you go out that is Federal law. So stop with the racist junk, if they didn't come here ILLEGALLY we wouldn't be upset!

 

[bbsam]

C,mon this is the exactly the Federal law copied for Arizona, since Washington isn't doing the job Arizona decided to enforce the law them selves. You can only be pulled over for a violation, once pulled over if they think you are here ILLEGAL they can ask for Identification, now if you are here LEGALLY then u r required to carry yur Visa or green card when evr you go out that is Federal law. So stop with the racist junk, if they didn't come here ILLEGALLY we wouldn't be upset!

C'mon. Pay attention. Immigration, legal or ILLEGAL is in the jurisdiction of the federal government alone. Your Glenn Beck Legal credentials aren't worth the chalk he wastes on the board.

 

[moreluck]

The federal government isn't paying attention to its responsibility........they're too busy out stumping and wasting taxpayer $$$.

 

[Babagounj]

http://www.theusreport.com/the-us-r...-vekol-valley-along-i-8-may-be-mexican-a.html

Armed gunmen seen in Vekol Valley along I-8 may be Mexican assassins

Thursday, October 28, 2010 at 3:40PM
On Monday, a Pinal County, Ariz. sheriff's deputy spotted two Hispanic males armed with long rifles along Interstate 8 in the Vekol Valley. The men were hiding in the bush next to the road, and fled when the deputy spotted them. As they fled, one suspect dropped a backpack containing a loaded magazine and .223 caliber ammunition. Other evidence discovered at the scene indicated that a load of marijuana had recently been transferred to a vehicle. Law enforcement was unable to catch the fleeing gunmen.
As Liberty & Security Journal reported last week, Mexican drug cartels have deployed hit men to the U.S. to kill thieves who are hijacking cartel drug shipments. According to a news release from the Pinal County sheriff's office, 15 “very well equipped and armed sicarios [assassins] complete with bullet proof vests” are at large in Arizona's Vekol Valley, a heavily-used drug smuggling corridor just 30 miles south of Phoenix.