Arizona's anti-imigration law...

Go back and read again my friend. But, first read my untouchable little babies: The Bill of Rights. From 1 to 10. And if you have time, Amendment 14th, Plyler v. Doe, Wong Wing v. U.S, Yick Wo v. Hopkins. And I still have a few more, but I won't overwhelm you with so much reading. I've cited your wrong statements saying "that illegals didn't have rights, and that they deserve to be discriminated," just to name a few.
I never said nor implied, "that illegals didn't have rights, and that they deserve to be discriminated,”
I said that the law did not violate the Constitutional rights of illegals.
I pointed you out that illegal aliens also had individual rights under any jurisdiction, now, do I have to cite you the 14th Amendment in this.

This law does not
deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
And do I have to cite you the laws been violated on every single statement I give you.
Well, just saying a law is being violated isn’t much to go on.
You don't know what is racism?
Of course I know what racism is, but I’m not sure you do. Do you know the difference in race and nationality?
Racial profiling, etc., and that it isn't permitted by law.
Racial profiling is expressly disallowed in SB1070, it specifically mentions so in several places.
I thought you did know our Constitution. You seem to be a Patriotic US Citizen, but the problem is that you don't know the Constitution and what it implies. May be if you did, you would think in a different way...
Maybe if you knew it as well as you say you do, you would be thinking different.
oh no, sorry, your prejudice and your political affiliations won't let you.
You have seen no prejudiced statements from me. I have never viewed this as a race issue, but an issue of people being in our country illegally and all the problems that follow.
I've cited SB1070, you tell me "that's not what it implies." I thought you were going to tell me how it doesn't.
You will not do MY research. You will do YOURS, and tell me how it's not what it implies what I said.
Sorry I don’t remember the context of the statement "that's not what it implies." , and I’m not going to look it up.

And please, although I have zero tolerance about anyone touching my Bill of Rights, I want to know your point of view on the part of "Reasonable Suspicion,"
Reasonable suspicion would/could come from anyone not having the legal IDs required of any person. It’s pretty simple really, if pulled over for a traffic violation and the subject has no ID whatsoever, it is reasonable to suspect that individual has something to hide, including being an illegal alien and there will be further investigation.
"The "solely," color, race, nationality," etc. crap. I've cited you part of the law, but you haven't explain me your point of view on how my statements don't imply to the law. I thought you were going to place the rest of the law (the rest that you said I ignore) and explain how in the world they write something like the "solely," color, race, or national origin, and all that stuff.
The word “solely” was used in the original text of the law, and then taken out. I would guess maybe because of the taking that one word to twist the sentence to mean that R,C and national origin could be considered as reasonable cause to pull someone over which is NOT the intent of the law. With the wording of the law including the anti-profiling language some many different places and time, it’s pretty obvious that stopping someone based on R,C or NO is not allowed.
No problem dude, you can mention me in any post if that's what you want, then.
Sure not a problem, still don’t need your permission.
 

UPS Lifer

Well-Known Member
trpinkl,

Definition of the word reasonable is what applies to all of his nonsense written above. Ironically you need to be talking with a reasonable person to get that point across!

Reasonable - having sound judgment - fair and sensible - based on good sense - able to think, understand, or form judgments by a logical process.

Fortunately for us - most people in this country are reasonable people, the ubers drink the Kool-aid. Another key word to the definition is understanding the word logical.

These are two key thoughts that fall on deaf ears! As we write, the Kool-aid drinkers hear and see in print - racism - profiling - human rights. Everything else is filtered out through the cherry Kool-aid. There is nothing else they see or hear! OH! I almost forgot - they LOVE the taste of that cherry flavor!
 

Lue C Fur

Evil member
Did someone mention Kool-Aid:

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wkmac

Well-Known Member
Wonder why in the face of the Arizona excitement that not a peep was said of the bi-partisan Washington effort that in effect would/could do the same as what was proposed in Arizona. The potential employer could be required to be the profiler and thus drop a dime on anyone who couldn't produce the proper "authorized worker" papers. Will HR personal become deputized federal immigration enforcement officers?
 

ups1990

Well-Known Member
We all witnessed on television the many thousands protesting in Arizona and I noticed the many thousands of Latinos marching that made up a large part of the crowd. The unity among Latinos to come together on this day for this cause is commendable but could there be another reason for this unity besides labeling this law as racial profiling? I feel there is. Our ego was hurt. This law struck our ego and pride very much. You will never see Latinos as united as they are against this law. The case can be made that our collective communities have more pressing issues which need this coming together by these same people marching in Arizona. Latino gangs are tearing our neighborhoods apart. Brown on brown crime, yet browns could care less. If a white cop kills a Latino we are all up in arms for what it sees as a senseless killing but see gang murders as just a product of living in the Barrio and easily ignored. If we show to America and the world that we our really serious about ending the high rate of murders of Latinos by Latinos as we are about a bill that might lead to racial profiling, then I'll say I was wrong and believe me, my ego won't take a hit.
 

KingofBrown

Well-Known Member
Go back and read again my friend. But, first read my untouchable little babies: The Bill of Rights. From 1 to 10. And if you have time, Amendment 14th, Plyler v. Doe, Wong Wing v. U.S, Yick Wo v. Hopkins. And I still have a few more, but I won't overwhelm you with so much reading. I've cited your wrong statements saying "that illegals didn't have rights, and that they deserve to be discriminated," just to name a few.
I never said nor implied, "that illegals didn't have rights, and that they deserve to be discriminated,”
Oh yes you did! Page 34, post #498I said that the law did not violate the Constitutional rights of illegals. Where? Did you regret it?
I pointed you out that illegal aliens also had individual rights under any jurisdiction, now, do I have to cite you the 14th Amendment in this.

This law does not Don't be mixing things up. I was refering to your comment on page 34, post #498
And do I have to cite you the laws been violated on every single statement I give you.
Well, just saying a law is being violated isn’t much to go on. Then you need to make a further reading so you know what we're talking about.
You don't know what is racism?
Of course I know what racism is, but I’m not sure you do. Do you know the difference in race and nationality? Oh, I forgot that's another outworn statement you got. Race and Nationality... And that's why you feel open about calling them the "wetguys", page 32, post #475. At the end you're not offending any race... YOU ARE!
Racial profiling, etc., and that it isn't permitted by law.
Racial profiling is expressly disallowed in SB1070, it specifically mentions so in several places.
I thought you did know our Constitution. You seem to be a Patriotic US Citizen, but the problem is that you don't know the Constitution and what it implies. May be if you did, you would think in a different way...
Maybe if you knew it as well as you say you do, you would be thinking different. Nah! I believe what I believe because I've read too much about my Constitution. And I still have much to go.
oh no, sorry, your prejudice and your political affiliations won't let you.
You have seen no prejudiced statements from me. Uh? I have never viewed this as a race issue, but an issue of people being in our country illegally and all the problems that follow. Yeah right. They're from a different national origin; not another race. You think the word "Discrimination" is just a common simple word. You think a person deserves to be discriminated? You're leaving the different treatment to that person not only for race, but about anything our Constitution does not allow, even to be discrminated for religion. You don't even know the magnitude of absurdity of your sentence. Discrimination against illegals from Mexico is not racism.- trplnkl
I've cited SB1070, you tell me "that's not what it implies." I thought you were going to tell me how it doesn't.
You will not do MY research. You will do YOURS, and tell me how it's not what it implies what I said.
Sorry I don’t remember the context of the statement "that's not what it implies." , and I’m not going to look it up. OK, don't look it up. You're just leaving that a blank statement. And you're the one complaining about me... You want me cite every single law on each of my statements, and you can't even give you're simple opinion (with no backup, laws, or political propaganda) on that one. OK.

And please, although I have zero tolerance about anyone touching my Bill of Rights, I want to know your point of view on the part of "Reasonable Suspicion,"
Reasonable suspicion would/could come from anyone not having the legal IDs required of any person. It’s pretty simple really, if pulled over for a traffic violation and the subject has no ID whatsoever, it is reasonable to suspect that individual has something to hide, including being an illegal alien and there will be further investigation. If you tolerate this, don't be surprised when you're next.
"The "solely," color, race, nationality," etc. crap. I've cited you part of the law, but you haven't explain me your point of view on how my statements don't imply to the law. I thought you were going to place the rest of the law (the rest that you said I ignore) and explain how in the world they write something like the "solely," color, race, or national origin, and all that stuff.
The word “solely” was used in the original text of the law, and then taken out. I would guess maybe because of the taking that one word to twist the sentence to mean that R,C and national origin could be considered as reasonable cause to pull someone over which is NOT the intent of the law. Um... you're just guessing. It's not the intent of the law? Don't be so innocent, you, me and everyone who wrote the damn law know it is. Now, I'm wondering if you know who wrote what you presume you have read. You contradict yourself too much, but I don't blame you, the law itself it's too contradictory. With the wording of the law including the anti-profiling language some many different places and time, it’s pretty obvious that stopping someone based on R,C or NO is not allowed. Real kind words, but they're just words. We don't need the kind words of Ms. Brewer, because a signature doesn't care about words.
No problem dude, you can mention me in any post if that's what you want, then.
Sure not a problem, still don’t need your permission. OK.
 

klein

Für Meno :)
Edmonton is not in the border. And it's not under your jurisdiction Mr. Congressman.

Actually, I will almost defend Lifer here.
He just doesn't know, we Canadians get all of the US news stations here. I even get american local news, too. Kiro from Seattle, Fox out of Rochester, and more.

We also compare everything here with the US.
Our currency for example, like the Dow, Nasdaq, TSE, the dollar value compared to the greenback values are on the local news daily.

Why americans don't look at the value of the Loonie, I don't understand. We are your biggest trading partner, with the most dollar value exchanging hands, yet the canuck buck, rarely gets compared to the greenback there.

Most of your satellite or cable programs don't even have Canadian news or channels.
Your weather maps on the news cuts us out, too. It's funny, but sad.

So, no lifer, I don't google american politics or news. It's on my TV here , right at home. Or in Canadian media.
Here is an example of 1 of todays headlines and article here :

By Julian Beltrame, The Canadian Press

OTTAWA - The Canadian economy was roaring in the first quarter, jumping ahead of even the rosy estimates of economists to post an oversized 6.1 per cent annualized advance during the first three months of 2010.

The number doubled what the U.S. economy managed to produce and bettered the consensus forecast for a 5.8 per cent increase.
With the Bank of Canada scheduled to make a decision on interest rates on Tuesday morning, the gross domestic product data is expected to add to the pressure on governor Mark Carney to move rates higher for the first time in about three years.
"It would take some fancy footwork for the Bank of Canada to pass on hiking rates tomorrow after the Canadian economy just doubled the U.S. quarter-one growth pace," Scotiabank economists Derek Holt and Karen Cordes Woods wrote in a note.

While markets expected a strong result, the oversized growth pushed the Canadian dollar up more than three-quarters of a cent to 95.89 cents US in light early trading. U.S. markets were closed for Memorial Day on Monday.


See, thats just ONE example how news is delivered here.

Just proving my point, that we do have knowledge of what's going on south of us.
 
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KingofBrown

Well-Known Member
Don't worry Upstate I did understand his point, I'm not that innocent. I was just expressing mine; which I believe fits perfect to his views.

You missed the point entirely.

Edmonton is where our Canadian friend Klein is from.

Lifer was simply expressing his appreciation for Klein's contributions to this thread.
 
Go back and read again my friend. But, first read my untouchable little babies: The Bill of Rights. From 1 to 10. And if you have time, Amendment 14th, Plyler v. Doe, Wong Wing v. U.S, Yick Wo v. Hopkins. And I still have a few more, but I won't overwhelm you with so much reading. I've cited your wrong statements saying "that illegals didn't have rights, and that they deserve to be discriminated," just to name a few.
[FONT=&quot]I never said nor implied, "that illegals didn't have rights, and that they deserve to be discriminated,” [/FONT]
Oh yes you did! Page 34, post #498[FONT=&quot]I said that the law did not violate the Constitutional rights of illegals. [/FONT]Where? Did you regret it?
I pointed you out that illegal aliens also had individual rights under any jurisdiction, now, do I have to cite you the 14th Amendment in this.
Here is my complete post #498, minus the quote from bbsam:
Sorry, not racist. Nationalist, yes...racist nope.
There are many Americans that are of Mexican decent, if these people are discriminated against for the reason of that ancestry then that is racism. Discrimination against illegals from Mexico is not racism. Enforcing immigration laws is not discrimination. Put you race card back in your pocket, you will want it again. and again and again.
Please show me where I said illegals didn’t have rights and they deserved to be discriminated against. If you can’t follow the logic in the quote above, you need more help than you can find on here.

[FONT=&quot]This law does not [/FONT]Don't be mixing things up. I was refering to your comment on page 34, post #498
I contend that SB1070 is not a racist law and that it does not violate the 14th amendment. I posted a clip of the pertinent portion of the 14th amendment that focused on equal rights of all people under the jurisdiction and it is not being denied by SB1070. How is that mixing thing up?
And do I have to cite you the laws been violated on every single statement I give you.
Well, just saying a law is being violated isn’t much to go on. Then you need to make a further reading so you know what we're talking about.
I do know what I am talking about; it appears you are the one struggling. In the future I will try to type very slowly, so you can understand it. My point was and still is, you keep yelling that the law and that Constitution are being violated , but you weren’t saying what part of the law was violating what part of the Constitution.

You don't know what is racism?
[FONT=&quot]Of course I know what racism is, but I’m not sure you do. Do you know the difference in race and nationality? [/FONT]Oh, I forgot that's another outworn statement you got. Race and Nationality... And that's why you feel open about calling them the "wetguys", page 32, post #475. At the end you're not offending any race... YOU ARE!
This following quote is every word I posted in #475, please show me where I used the term “wetguys”, what part of my words were offensive?
[FONT=&quot]I don't disagree with this statement, when American citizen's rights are being infringed upon, it is wrong and the feds SHOULD get involved. However, in the lack of enforcement of the illegal immigration laws by the federal governemnt, many American's rights have been denied. It is the responsibility of the feds to protect out boarders, in NOT doing so they take away the expressed RIGHT of American citizens to be safe in their own homes. WHAT PART OF THAT DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND? [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Oh and BTW..illegal immigrants are NOT American citizens.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]<Snip quote>[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Will the law be found unconstitutional? I don't think so, you think so.... I promise you that people with much higher understand of the Constitution of the United States have take the AZ law apart, piece by piece, for the purpose of checking the constitutionality and feel it is in line. I suppose we will see. I hope very soon.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]<Snip quote>[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]You are a maroon if you think that some one fits your hate filled diatribe only because they support this law. This law has NOTHING to do with RACE. Either you have a reading disability or are just too stubborn to see that this law is not about race, but nationality. The illegals crossing our boarders are draining our financial resources faster than any benefit adds up, in many ways. I'm not talking about just the taxes spent to feed, educate and house them but in the giant influx of criminals being sought by LEOs, the $$ spent on emegency response teams to attempt to control a gang/drug war in our cities.
I'm sure there are people that hate mexicans, people that are anti-spanish however THIS law is not part of that. IT"S ABOUT PROTECTING OUR CITIZENS AND OUT HOMELAND> PERIOD.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Here is a BLAZING fact for ya, you and ssbam are the biggest racists on this thread.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]<Snip quote>[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]This law does not assume all hispanics are illegal. The law very carefully lines out the path taken. Why should any state not be able to ID criminals? AND YES, illegal immigrants are by definition criminals. Here is another news flash for ya, all illegal immigrants are NOT hispanic nor mexican and there is nothing in the law suggesting so.
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Racial profiling, etc., and that it isn't permitted by law.
[FONT=&quot]Racial profiling is expressly disallowed in SB1070, it specifically mentions so in several places. [/FONT]
I thought you did know our Constitution. You seem to be a Patriotic US Citizen, but the problem is that you don't know the Constitution and what it implies. May be if you did, you would think in a different way...
[FONT=&quot]Maybe if you knew it as well as you say you do, you would be thinking different.[/FONT] Nah! I believe what I believe because I've read too much about my Constitution. And I still have much to go.
Well Mr. Constitution, I’m afraid your preconceived notions on SB1070 do not coincide with the 14th Amendment or the 5th.
oh no, sorry, your prejudice and your political affiliations won't let you.
[FONT=&quot]You have seen no prejudiced statements from me. Uh? I have never viewed this as a race issue, but an issue of people being in our country illegally and all the problems that follow.[/FONT] Yeah right. They're from a different national origin; not another race. You think the word "Discrimination" is just a common simple word. You think a person deserves to be discriminated? You're leaving the different treatment to that person not only for race, but about anything our Constitution does not allow, even to be discrminated for religion. You don't even know the magnitude of absurdity of your sentence. Discrimination against illegals from Mexico is not racism.- trplnkl
[FONT=&quot]Oh now you want to bring religion into this fray? I think not, I have never mentioned religion, SB1070 never mentioned religion. Where do you get the perverted idea that religion has anything at all to do with the law or this debate? You have no idea what religion I am and it’s none of your business. Now can we get back to the subject?[/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT]

You assume that when I said” Discrimination against illegals from Mexico is not racism.- trplnkl” that I condoned discrimination, what a stretch and twist. Read that sentence again, it is NOT racism, it IS nationalism. The discrimination is based on where they came from, not what race they are. Again, I don’t think you know the difference.


To be continued......


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.....Continued....

I've cited SB1070, you tell me "that's not what it implies." I thought you were going to tell me how it doesn't.
You will not do MY research. You will do YOURS, and tell me how it's not what it implies what I said.
[FONT=&quot]Sorry I don’t remember the context of the statement "that's not what it implies." , and I’m not going to look it up. [/FONT]OK, don't look it up. You're just leaving that a blank statement. And you're the one complaining about me... You want me cite every single law on each of my statements, and you can't even give you're simple opinion (with no backup, laws, or political propaganda) on that one. OK. Just following your lead so yes, I am going to leave the out of text statement without further reply.

And please, although I have zero tolerance about anyone touching my Bill of Rights, I want to know your point of view on the part of "Reasonable Suspicion,"
[FONT=&quot]Reasonable suspicion would/could come from anyone not having the legal IDs required of any person. It’s pretty simple really, if pulled over for a traffic violation and the subject has no ID whatsoever, it is reasonable to suspect that individual has something to hide, including being an illegal alien and there will be further investigation.[/FONT] If you tolerate this, don't be surprised when you're next.
Ya see, that is why I won’t be next. I carry my DL (government photo ID) with me, everywhere I go. And here is a news flash for you, it’s NOTHING new. This has been the norm since way before you were born and the burden of proof is always going to be around.
"The "solely," color, race, nationality," etc. crap. I've cited you part of the law, but you haven't explain me your point of view on how my statements don't imply to the law. I thought you were going to place the rest of the law (the rest that you said I ignore) and explain how in the world they write something like the "solely," color, race, or national origin, and all that stuff.
[FONT=&quot]The word “solely” was used in the original text of the law, and then taken out. I [/FONT][FONT=&quot]would guess maybe[/FONT][FONT=&quot] because of the taking that one word to twist the sentence to mean that R,C and national origin could be considered as reasonable cause to pull someone over which is NOT the intent of the law[/FONT][FONT=&quot].[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]Um... you're just guessing. It's not the intent of the law? Don't be so innocent, you, me and everyone who wrote the damn law know it is. Now, I'm wondering if you know who wrote what you presume you have read. You contradict yourself too much, but I don't blame you, the law itself it's too contradictory. (please, when you put your words between mine change the color of the text so anyone else reading will know they are YOUR words, not mine. Thank you)
Nice try DippyDoDawg, that is NOT what I was guessing about. If you don’t know that you do need help. I was “guessing” on the reason for removing the word “solely” from the text of the law because they new idiots would try the twist that to construe profiling was to be condoned.
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[FONT=&quot]With the wording of the law including the anti-profiling language some many different places and time, it’s pretty obvious that stopping someone based on R,C or NO is not allowed.[/FONT][FONT=&quot] Real kind words, but they're just words. We don't need the kind words of Ms. Brewer, because a signature doesn't care about words[/FONT][FONT=&quot]. If this means what I think it does, you are unwilling to accept any point of view than your won? If that is the case, why am I wasting my time?[/FONT]
 

moreluck

golden ticket member
All illegal immigrants are criminal just by the definition of illegal immigrant......it doesn't matter if they mow lawns or commit crimes.
 
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