Biden Puts 8000 Union Members Out of Work

[bacha29]

Yeah I mean the writing is on the wall for this industry. GM just announced that all their cars will be zero emission in 14 years, stuff like that portends the serious decline of this industry. I’ll just be in my early 60’s by 2035. Plus I gotta wonder what happens to my pension if this industry goes belly up after I retire. I may switch careers, and I have applied to various jobs and even got two job offers,, but the pay for both jobs was like $35 an hour which would be a huge pay cut for me. Plus I got a lot of vacation weeks, decent healthcare, etc. Although due to the refinery pay cut a lot people are retiring Because their pensions are in part based on their last 3 years of earnings. So despite the down economy, where I work is hiring and promoting people for now.

These refineries don’t employ that many workers already. I think it’s like 35,000 full time refinery Oil workers in the USW Union. That’s not the employment of the whole oil and gas industry which is probably in the millions, but just the number of petroleum refinery oil workers. The only value we have to the nation is that as long as gasoline remains the dominate way we fuel vehicles, then the US doesn’t want to depend on other nation’s producing the fuel we need, but as the need for gasoline and diesel and jet fuel drops, that national value decreases as well. So the remaining refineries will either convert to supply other products or they’ll die. Pretending that an incompetent, corrupt Republican potus can stop these trends is just living in a delusional fantasy world.

Five years ago when Dear Leader was going around telling people how he "digs" coal and his outlandish promises to bring bac k coal, stupid people ate it like candy while smart people were sitting back laughing because they knew that the utilities has been switching to cheaper and cleaner alternatives a decade or more before Dear Leader the world's greatest carnival barker showed up .

 

[IVE GOTTA PACKAGE 4U]

So let’s add to your delusional beliefs. So not only do democrats control the economy and can shut down and restart the economy whenever they want. Also based on your delusional beliefs, The democrats have so much power that they can bring everyone to their knees and be thankful for a stimulus, while they promote communism, and the democrats can bring in “illegals” and make it so that they vote for democrats for generations. So if democrats in your delusional beliefs have all this power and control over everything already why don’t you want them in power?

You really need to put down your crack pipe and take another hard look at what's going on

 

[refineryworker05]

I do not give Musk all the credit and he definitely has his flaws but he helped pushed the needle and he needs to be given credit for that. I do not worship any man (shut up guys) but I try to give credit where credit is do. As much as I sometimes see myself as left when they won the house /senate it made me a little worried. I do not like the idea of one group holding all the power. All we can do at this point is hope for the best.

Elon musk. But if you like him good for you. If you are worried, I’d be worried about the objectively radical nature of the Republican Party, not a Democratic Party that elected middle of the road Joe Biden to be president. Republicans right now believe truly insane stuff. Like objectively factually insane stuff, they are trying right now to restrict voting they believe in mass delusional that the election was stolen from Biden and many of them were actively supporting over turning the results of that election, that’s truly dangerous and radical stuff. the last two Republican presidents have both left the economy in shambles, republicans are wrong on nearly every policy. Like objectively wrong, they oppose responding to climate change, they oppose raising the minimum wage, they oppose making college free, they oppose getting health care to more Americans, like what are they for except tax cuts for rich people, and bs culture war fights over Christmas and cancel culture nonsense?

 

[refineryworker05]

You really need to put down your crack pipe and take another hard look at what's going on

Yes you have non crack pipe beliefs like democrats can shutdown and restart the economy at will, or that democrats will bring everyone to their knees, while promoting communism and make everyone be grateful for stimulus checks, and democrats will bring in “illegals” make them citizens and make them vote for democrats for generations. Yes those are all non crack pipe beliefs if I have ever seen non crack pipe beliefs. Yes take a look around, middle of the road Joe Biden is president, he was VP for eight years and was last VP in 2017, he is surely the harbinger of the coming communism and democrats making everyone go their knees. Yes that is another non crack pipe belief you have if I have ever seen one.

 

[It will be fine]

I wonder how fast that Freddy will give you the extra money for fuel...

It’s always been built into the contract. This isn’t complicated. I always love your desire to represent yourself as proudly ignorant.

 

[refineryworker05]

Whenever one communicates with republicans about the state of america, their obviously delusional beliefs becomes the issue. Like, who thinks the democratic is great? I don’t, but when faced with obvious delusions like the Democratic Party can stop and start the us economy at will...... or that democrats are about to institute communism, or all the other insane bs republicans believe, normal discussions about how fcked up the Democratic Party are goes out the window, because the issue becomes why do republicans believe these delusional things?

 

[refineryworker05]

So you believe joe Biden is far left?

 

[refineryworker05]

Five years ago when Dear Leader was going around telling people how he "digs" coal and his outlandish promises to bring bac k coal, stupid people ate it like candy while smart people were sitting back laughing because they knew that the utilities has been switching to cheaper and cleaner alternatives a decade or more before Dear Leader the world's greatest carnival barker showed up .

Yes, but policy outcomes don’t matter to republican voters. I have posted that for years now. And you saw the numerous ways trump failed to uphold his policies didn’t matter at all to republican voters.

 

[IVE GOTTA PACKAGE 4U]

Yes you have non crack pipe beliefs like democrats can shutdown and restart the economy at will, or that democrats will bring everyone to their knees, while promoting communism and make everyone be grateful for stimulus checks, and democrats will bring in “illegals” make them citizens and make them vote for democrats for generations. Yes those are all non crack pipe beliefs if I have ever seen non crack pipe beliefs. Yes take a look around, middle of the road Joe Biden is president, he was VP for eight years and was last VP in 2017, he is surely the harbinger of the coming communism and democrats making everyone go their knees. Yes that is another non crack pipe belief you have if I have ever seen one.

He has been in office for almost a half of a century and has not done anything beneficial to this country

but feel free to drink some Biden Kool-Aid

 

[IVE GOTTA PACKAGE 4U]

It’s always been built into the contract. This isn’t complicated. I always love your desire to represent yourself as proudly ignorant.

Seriously are you talking to yourself?
or you can give your employees a raise because she will prices so high they can't afford to go to work for your low wages?

 

[DriveInDriѵeOut]

So you believe joe Biden is far left?

Puppet

 

[IVE GOTTA PACKAGE 4U]

Puppet

I'm telling you two years the one day into office he might accidentally on purpose fall down the flight of steps so the crazy woman can take over then run for another two terms

 

[refineryworker05]

He has been in office for almost a half of a century and has not done anything beneficial to this country

but feel free to drink some Biden Kool-Aid

Ok that’s a criticism, I don’t think it’s accurate, but I don’t care about Joe Biden, why do you believe these insane things? That’s the question? Why do you believe that democrats can stop and start the economy at will? Why do you believe a Democratic Party that wanted communism would have nominated joe Biden over Bernie Sanders? Doesn’t the selection of Biden signal to you oh democratic voters and democratic elected officials don’t want socialist Bernie Sanders? So why would they want communism? Who in the Democratic Party wants to bring everyone to their knees? These are all objectively delusional beliefs. Why do you believe them?

 

[IVE GOTTA PACKAGE 4U]

Ok that’s a criticism, I don’t think it’s accurate, but I don’t care about Joe Biden, why do you believe these insane things? That’s the question? Why do you believe that democrats can stop and start the economy at will? Why do you believe a Democratic Party that wanted communism would have nominated joe Biden over Bernie Sanders? Doesn’t the selection of Biden signal to you oh democratic voters and democratic elected officials don’t want socialist Bernie Sanders? So why would they want communism? Who in the Democratic Party wants to bring everyone to their knees? These are all objectively delusional beliefs. Why do you believe them?

The only thing election showed that they wanted somebody different than Trump.
And half a century of I didn't absolutely nothing in office was not the right answer for our country.

 

[refineryworker05]

Puppet

So your delusional belief is that Biden isn’t far left, which means democratic voters and elected officials didn’t pick Sanders and picked Biden, but the far left controls the party, and will control Biden, but if the far left controlled the party why wouldn’t they have just picked Sanders, why didn’t the majority of the voters who I assume you believe are far left just pick Sanders, why didn’t the majority of elected democrats who I assume you believe are far left get behind Sanders? What you believe doesn’t make any sense. It is delusional. Why do you all believe these obvious delusions?

 

[DriveInDriѵeOut]

Why do you believe that democrats can stop and start the economy at will?

So you believe Democrats shutting down businesses in their States and cities is all a figment of our imagination. That is an objectively delusional belief. Why do you believe it?

 

[DriveInDriѵeOut]

So your delusional belief is that Biden isn’t far left, which means democratic voters and elected officials didn’t pick Sanders and picked Biden, but the far left controls the party, and will control Biden, but if the far left controlled the party why wouldn’t they have just picked Sanders, why didn’t the majority of the voters who I assume you believe are far left just pick Sanders, why didn’t the majority of elected democrats who I assume you believe are far left get behind Sanders? What you believe doesn’t make any sense. It is delusional. Why do you all believe these obvious delusions?

What you believe doesn’t make any sense. It is delusional. Why do you all believe these obvious delusions?

 

[refineryworker05]

The only thing election showed that they wanted somebody different than Trump.
And half a century of I didn't absolutely nothing in office was not the right answer for our country.

That doesn’t make sense. The Democratic Party could have selected Bernie Sanders, or Elizabeth Warren or any number of other candidates, but they didn’t they picked Joe Biden, so just wanting someone different from trump had nothing to do with that decision. I suggest you look at Biden’s actual record. Again Biden has been wrong a lot, but usually he was wrong in supporting things the Republican Party wanted.

still the question is why do you believe these delusional things? Why do you believe democrats can shut down or start up the economy at will? Why do you believe that democrats want communism when you just saw democratic voters and elected official reject Sanders? Who do you believe amongst democrats wants to bring everyone to their knees? Like to me these are objectively delusional beliefs. Why do you believe these delusions?

 

[refineryworker05]

What you believe doesn’t make any sense. It is delusional. Why do you all believe these obvious delusions?

Oh you have no response to my questions. I’d really like an answer. You say Biden isn’t far left but will be a puppet of the far left of the Democratic Party, but if the far left controls the Democratic Party why wouldn’t have they just nominated Sanders? Why wouldn’t democratic voters have just picked Sanders? Do you see calling Biden a puppet to the far left doesn’t make any sense because democratic voters and democratic elected official rejected sander in favor of Biden, which means the far left has very little power amongst democrats and Biden won’t be their puppet because they don’t have the power to make him their puppet. The left in the Democratic Party can’t even control Joe Manchin a senator from West Virginia, but they’ll control the president? Your belief that Biden is a far left puppet is an obviously delusional belief for the numerous reasons I just listed. The question is why do you believe that obvious delusion?

 

[DriveInDriѵeOut]

Oh you have no response to my questions. I’d really like an answer. You say Biden isn’t far left but will be a puppet of the far left of the Democratic Party, but if the far left controls the Democratic Party why wouldn’t have they just nominated Sanders? Why wouldn’t democratic voters have just picked Sanders? Do you see calling Biden a puppet to the far left doesn’t make any sense because democratic voters and democratic elected official rejected sander in favor of Biden, which means the far left has very little power amongst democrats and Biden won’t be their puppet because they don’t have the power to make him their puppet. The left in the Democratic Party can’t even control Joe Manchin a senator from West Virginia, but they’ll control the president? Your belief that Biden is a far left puppet is an obviously delusional belief for the numerous reasons I just listed. The question is why do you believe that obvious delusion?

What's your question?