Bragging About Your Wages On Social Media Is Just Dumb!

Tanktoptony

Well-Known Member
Well if it is so easy doing our job and earning $100k+ why is it so difficult for people to sign up and actually become package car drivers? We make less than other trades who have 4 year journeyman programs like electricians, plumbers or sheet metal workers. They can say all they want about how much we earn it’s not easy and not glamorous. Peak, rain, snow, heat yeah it’s really easy work.
 

100%

Well-Known Member
Yeah but $140,000/year is working 12-13 hours EVERY day. And some of that is forced. I don’t think the public will be 100% onboard or not with a single issue such as pay. Many of the issues that are going on now heavily outweighs the perception of our wage. The pandemic really showed the public how “important” we are.
Anything over 8 is forced.
 

The Range

In too deep
Who cares? As if it's a secret to be kept. 70% of the workforce is part-time, the majority of which make minimum wage or just above. $40 ain't :censored2:. The same time spent in an apprenticeship instead of UPS full-time progression nets you 50+/hr and contracts that aren't concession-packed. Stop feeling guilty as if you've found some gem of a job. It isn't that hot.
 

ThePackageDeli

Well-Known Member
Many UPSers let the money go to their heads. Stay humble and grateful. 99.9% of our workforce aren’t qualified to make this kind of income anywhere else.
UPS and the Teamsters have successfully created a culture of pride throughout the workforce. Because they need workers to be proud of their job so they grunt through the work and don't quit. But the hard reality is, there are plenty of jobs out there (some called careers) that pay as well or more than UPS, with arguably better working conditions and life balance.
 

qdg2

Well-Known Member
You don't understand.

The public being on our side in the 97 strike was HUGE.

They will not in 2023 if you people strike. Public opinion is more valuable
than you think. Don't be so dismissive.

arrogance comes before the fall.....
You don't understand.

Public had nothing to do with anything in 97. Or now.

I don't recall ANY protests in 97 at UPS(against the company) by the PUBLIC.

I'm sorry, your premise is laughable. Nobody cares.

The public just wants their rubber dog poop delivered on time.
 

BigUnionGuy

Got the T-Shirt
The public being on our side in the 97 strike was HUGE.

Public had nothing to do with anything in 97.

Really.... ?

I don't know what strike you attended.

I don't recall ANY protests in 97 at UPS(against the company) by the PUBLIC.

There was immense public support.

How many other Labor Unions had their members walk the picket line with us ?

Policemen, Firemen, Freight drivers, Bread and Dairy workers.... even the general public.

Pfft.
 

Trucker Clock

Well-Known Member
Well if it is so easy doing our job and earning $100k+ why is it so difficult for people to sign up and actually become package car drivers? We make less than other trades who have 4 year journeyman programs like electricians, plumbers or sheet metal workers. They can say all they want about how much we earn it’s not easy and not glamorous. Peak, rain, snow, heat yeah it’s really easy work.

Now that's funny. You're comparing your job to a Tradesman. A plumber, electrician, sheet metal worker, mechanic, etc.

Anyone can do your job. It's difficult to sign people up now because nobody wants to work. Every business has help wanted signs posted. It's not about the money, it's about people getting free stuff and not working.

Yes, you deliver in the rain, snow, etc. While it may be physical, you're driving a truck delivering cardboard boxes. Anyone can do your job. Take an 18 year old kid. Give him a loaded package car and a map. The DIAD is basically a cell phone. He'll figure it out in 2 minutes.

He/she will get those packages delivered. Maybe not even all in one day, but they will be delivered. Give him/her a month, and they'll actually be pretty good at it. Maybe not up to the time constraints UPS wants, but they'll get the job done.

Take this same kid and put him in a brand new house without the sheetrock installed yet. Tell him to wire it, tell him to plumb it. Ain't gonna happen. Those jobs require knowledge and skill. Sure, he may have replaced an outlet in mom's basement, so he may have a few outlets in, but I guarantee you it will not pass inspection, will not be up to code. How high off the floor do the outlets have to be? What gauge wire? How many outlets on a circuit? How far apart do you put the outlets? How many lights on a circuit? What size breakers? How do you rewire an existing home with the sheetrock already there?

On the plumbing side, how do you install a closet flange? What size pipe for what area? Can you even solder pipe, or crimp PEX correctly? How about pressure tanks and septic systems? Backflow preventers? Floor drains in concrete? Pressure loss based on pipe length?

Bring this same kid to an auto repair shop. Show him a car that has a blown engine and tell him to fix it. Transmission work? Again, ain't gonna happen. These jobs require training, skill and knowledge. You will not make it in these jobs if you are not very smart and can't learn. And you have an extended learning period to get all the knowledge and know all the codes.

Most of these jobs also require you to be certified, well, except the UPS mechanics. They do not to be ASE certified, they only need to be UPS certified. And to become certified, you'll need to have mastery of practical, theoretical, and specialized knowledge. It takes time, skill knowledge and usually an apprenticeship. Not everyone can do it, in fact, plenty cannot.

A UPS driver takes no skill or smarts. Am I over simplifying it? Maybe just a little, but not really. The only issue as to why someone can't make it as a UPS driver is because they are not fast enough. But anyone can do the job, given time. Not everyone can be a plumber, electrician, mechanic no matter how much time you give them.
 

NAHimGOOD

Nothing to see here.... Move along.
It's difficult to sign people up now because nobody wants to work.
Tell that to the willing, capable, able and eager to do the job...

for the low starting wage...

New guys that are huddled in the corner every morning getting jerked around.

Then after a couple hours of standing hoping to go out....

They send them home.

And expect them to show up everyday for that treatment.

It's not about finding people who want to work, they come find us.

Yet I watch them everyday lose good people.

As much as I'd love to bang Carol for a second big truck...

The company as a whole has it's priorities out of line and it has nothing to do with people not wanting to work.

But...

There are people who don't want to work and I won't dispute that.
 

Thebrownblob

Well-Known Member
Especially when a majority of UPS Union members make half of that.
My son who is part time, check was over $1300 gross and he only worked four days of double shifts, $21 an hour ot after 5 and a $75 bonus. Not bad for part time, Not as much as drivers but most people would rather work less hours. I believe that will be the standard across the country after the contract,for part-time work to start.
 

PT Car Washer

Well-Known Member
My son who is part time, check was over $1300 gross and he only worked four days of double shifts, $21 an hour ot after 5 and a $75 bonus. Not bad for part time, Not as much as drivers but most people would rather work less hours. I believe that will be the standard across the country after the contract,for part-time work to start.
But UPS can't afford more FT jobs.
 

Trucker Clock

Well-Known Member
Tell that to the willing, capable, able and eager to do the job...

for the low starting wage...

New guys that are huddled in the corner every morning getting jerked around.

Then after a couple hours of standing hoping to go out....

They send them home.

And expect them to show up everyday for that treatment.

Valid point. Some do want to work but are jerked around.
 

DELACROIX

In the Spirit of Honore' Daumier
You don't understand.

Public had nothing to do with anything in 97. Or now.

I don't recall ANY protests in 97 at UPS(against the company) by the PUBLIC.

I'm sorry, your premise is laughable. Nobody cares.

The public just wants their rubber dog poop delivered on time.

In “97” you were probably still in diapers...
 
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