Bragging About Your Wages On Social Media Is Just Dumb!

[Thebrownblob]

Not when you steal work.

He’s always able to point out the flaws in the contract, but never able to see he exploits them himself. And to the detriment of the work group as a whole.

 

[Trucker Clock]

He’s always able to point out the flaws in the contract, but never able to see he exploits them himself. And to the detriment of the work group as a whole.

It in NOT…UPS does not have enough FT employees so they ask him to drive.

It IS. UPS does not hire more FT drivers because he drives.

 

[pkgdriver]

In “97” you were probably still in diapers...

Not to stick up for quad but he may have had almost 20 yrs in. That being said we had tons of public support then. Now not so much. Dont know if he had a corvette or airplane then though.

 

[Shift Inhibit]

In “97” you were probably still in diapers...

He’s 58

 

[ttfaith]

$40 an hour is a joke

How is it a joke?

 

[MECH-lift]

How is it a joke?

Because we have people sitting on their ass making $500 an hour while we drop dead from the heat. Do you drive at UPS? If not sit down rookie

 

[Brownwind]

As a family man, I'd consider anything more than a regular 8 hour day to be bad working conditions. A 9 hour day is pushing it.
Most guys here are well beyond that.
Add in mandatory lunch hour and commute, and even a 9 hour day is long if you actually have a life.

I don't mind the work. I mind what I miss.

Bid a route near your house and spend your lunch hour with the family. If you can’t then schedule a picnic a few times a week. A few adjustments and you’ll find you can get more out of your current schedule you work. Just trying to help

 

[Brownwind]

Now that's funny. You're comparing your job to a Tradesman. A plumber, electrician, sheet metal worker, mechanic, etc.

Anyone can do your job. It's difficult to sign people up now because nobody wants to work. Every business has help wanted signs posted. It's not about the money, it's about people getting free stuff and not working.

Yes, you deliver in the rain, snow, etc. While it may be physical, you're driving a truck delivering cardboard boxes. Anyone can do your job. Take an 18 year old kid. Give him a loaded package car and a map. The DIAD is basically a cell phone. He'll figure it out in 2 minutes.

He/she will get those packages delivered. Maybe not even all in one day, but they will be delivered. Give him/her a month, and they'll actually be pretty good at it. Maybe not up to the time constraints UPS wants, but they'll get the job done.

Take this same kid and put him in a brand new house without the sheetrock installed yet. Tell him to wire it, tell him to plumb it. Ain't gonna happen. Those jobs require knowledge and skill. Sure, he may have replaced an outlet in mom's basement, so he may have a few outlets in, but I guarantee you it will not pass inspection, will not be up to code. How high off the floor do the outlets have to be? What gauge wire? How many outlets on a circuit? How far apart do you put the outlets? How many lights on a circuit? What size breakers? How do you rewire an existing home with the sheetrock already there?

On the plumbing side, how do you install a closet flange? What size pipe for what area? Can you even solder pipe, or crimp PEX correctly? How about pressure tanks and septic systems? Backflow preventers? Floor drains in concrete? Pressure loss based on pipe length?

Bring this same kid to an auto repair shop. Show him a car that has a blown engine and tell him to fix it. Transmission work? Again, ain't gonna happen. These jobs require training, skill and knowledge. You will not make it in these jobs if you are not very smart and can't learn. And you have an extended learning period to get all the knowledge and know all the codes.

Most of these jobs also require you to be certified, well, except the UPS mechanics. They do not to be ASE certified, they only need to be UPS certified. And to become certified, you'll need to have mastery of practical, theoretical, and specialized knowledge. It takes time, skill knowledge and usually an apprenticeship. Not everyone can do it, in fact, plenty cannot.

A UPS driver takes no skill or smarts. Am I over simplifying it? Maybe just a little, but not really. The only issue as to why someone can't make it as a UPS driver is because they are not fast enough. But anyone can do the job, given time. Not everyone can be a plumber, electrician, mechanic no matter how much time you give them.

No skill or smarts??? Sorry dude but your not a driver and I doubt you even work with us.

 

[ttfaith]

Because we have people sitting on their ass making $500 an hour while we drop dead from the heat. Do you drive at UPS? If not sit down rookie

I do indeed drive at UPS

 

[Dragon]

Real smart.

National story on MSN shows UPS drivers on Tik Tok and other social media bragging about making
$40 an hour and "the beauty of it , nobody knows"

how stupid can you be???

You just handed management a TANK of ammunition in
2023 negotiations.

Psssst...we know how much they make...

thanks for helping though...

see something say something or post it on social media just in case...

 

[Pullman Brown]

Now that's funny. You're comparing your job to a Tradesman. A plumber, electrician, sheet metal worker, mechanic, etc.

Anyone can do your job. It's difficult to sign people up now because nobody wants to work. Every business has help wanted signs posted. It's not about the money, it's about people getting free stuff and not working.

Yes, you deliver in the rain, snow, etc. While it may be physical, you're driving a truck delivering cardboard boxes. Anyone can do your job. Take an 18 year old kid. Give him a loaded package car and a map. The DIAD is basically a cell phone. He'll figure it out in 2 minutes.

He/she will get those packages delivered. Maybe not even all in one day, but they will be delivered. Give him/her a month, and they'll actually be pretty good at it. Maybe not up to the time constraints UPS wants, but they'll get the job done.

Take this same kid and put him in a brand new house without the sheetrock installed yet. Tell him to wire it, tell him to plumb it. Ain't gonna happen. Those jobs require knowledge and skill. Sure, he may have replaced an outlet in mom's basement, so he may have a few outlets in, but I guarantee you it will not pass inspection, will not be up to code. How high off the floor do the outlets have to be? What gauge wire? How many outlets on a circuit? How far apart do you put the outlets? How many lights on a circuit? What size breakers? How do you rewire an existing home with the sheetrock already there?

On the plumbing side, how do you install a closet flange? What size pipe for what area? Can you even solder pipe, or crimp PEX correctly? How about pressure tanks and septic systems? Backflow preventers? Floor drains in concrete? Pressure loss based on pipe length?

Bring this same kid to an auto repair shop. Show him a car that has a blown engine and tell him to fix it. Transmission work? Again, ain't gonna happen. These jobs require training, skill and knowledge. You will not make it in these jobs if you are not very smart and can't learn. And you have an extended learning period to get all the knowledge and know all the codes.

Most of these jobs also require you to be certified, well, except the UPS mechanics. They do not to be ASE certified, they only need to be UPS certified. And to become certified, you'll need to have mastery of practical, theoretical, and specialized knowledge. It takes time, skill knowledge and usually an apprenticeship. Not everyone can do it, in fact, plenty cannot.

A UPS driver takes no skill or smarts. Am I over simplifying it? Maybe just a little, but not really. The only issue as to why someone can't make it as a UPS driver is because they are not fast enough. But anyone can do the job, given time. Not everyone can be a plumber, electrician, mechanic no matter how much time you give them.

I agree with your premise and conclusions in regards to skill/trade jobs. Valid and sound argument. One slight correction. I have known a few to be DQ over not being able to drive the truck. That is a certain skill set that scares a lot from even attempting the job. I would include also that many do not attempt the driving job due to the work/life balance issue which I would include in the nature of the job.

 

[Pullman Brown]

Because we have people sitting on their ass making $500 an hour while we drop dead from the heat. Do you drive at UPS? If not sit down rookie

It sounds like you have been doing enough sitting down for us all !

 

[Trucker Clock]

One slight correction. I have known a few to be DQ over not being able to drive the truck.

Fair point.

I would include also that many do not attempt the driving job due to the work/life balance issue which I would include in the nature of the job.

Yes, but that has nothing to do with the skillset required. Almost anyone can do the job, given enough time, and theoretically, be making $100K by age 25.

 

[wilberforce15]

Bid a route near your house and spend your lunch hour with the family. If you can’t then schedule a picnic a few times a week. A few adjustments and you’ll find you can get more out of your current schedule you work. Just trying to help

That's a great thing to try for some.

But for me, the better solution is not driving.

 

[Pullman Brown]

Fair point.



Yes, but that has nothing to do with the skillset required. Almost anyone can do the job, given enough time, and theoretically, be making $100K by age 25.

So almost anyone can do the job I disagree. Millions of women could not and more men than you think cannot. But I grant you the premise and conclusion of your previous point in regards to trades etc..

 

[Pullman Brown]

Fair point.



Yes, but that has nothing to do with the skillset required. Almost anyone can do the job, given enough time, and theoretically, be making $100K by age 25.

I don’t think it’s fair to judge the job just on the skill set alone, though I understand your argument. The job does include other factors than skills, that other tradesmen might not have to deal with that should be taken into consideration in this discussion.

 

[Trucker Clock]

No skill or smarts???

Nope. Or very little at the most.

Sorry dude but your not a driver and I doubt you even work with us.

 

[Trucker Clock]

I don’t think it’s fair to judge the job just on the skill set alone, though I understand your argument. The job does include other factors than skills, that other tradesmen might not have to deal with that should be taken into consideration in this discussion.

True, and I think you see my point. Anyone can be a UPS driver. Not everyone can be an electrician, plumber, etc. They need a very special skillset. We don't. We just have long hours and harassment. But we make over $40/hr at full rate.

 

[DELACROIX]

Now that's funny. You're comparing your job to a Tradesman. A plumber, electrician, sheet metal worker, mechanic, etc.

Anyone can do your job. It's difficult to sign people up now because nobody wants to work. Every business has help wanted signs posted. It's not about the money, it's about people getting free stuff and not working.

Yes, you deliver in the rain, snow, etc. While it may be physical, you're driving a truck delivering cardboard boxes. Anyone can do your job. Take an 18 year old kid. Give him a loaded package car and a map. The DIAD is basically a cell phone. He'll figure it out in 2 minutes.

He/she will get those packages delivered. Maybe not even all in one day, but they will be delivered. Give him/her a month, and they'll actually be pretty good at it. Maybe not up to the time constraints UPS wants, but they'll get the job done.

Take this same kid and put him in a brand new house without the sheetrock installed yet. Tell him to wire it, tell him to plumb it. Ain't gonna happen. Those jobs require knowledge and skill. Sure, he may have replaced an outlet in mom's basement, so he may have a few outlets in, but I guarantee you it will not pass inspection, will not be up to code. How high off the floor do the outlets have to be? What gauge wire? How many outlets on a circuit? How far apart do you put the outlets? How many lights on a circuit? What size breakers? How do you rewire an existing home with the sheetrock already there?

On the plumbing side, how do you install a closet flange? What size pipe for what area? Can you even solder pipe, or crimp PEX correctly? How about pressure tanks and septic systems? Backflow preventers? Floor drains in concrete? Pressure loss based on pipe length?

Bring this same kid to an auto repair shop. Show him a car that has a blown engine and tell him to fix it. Transmission work? Again, ain't gonna happen. These jobs require training, skill and knowledge. You will not make it in these jobs if you are not very smart and can't learn. And you have an extended learning period to get all the knowledge and know all the codes.

Most of these jobs also require you to be certified, well, except the UPS mechanics. They do not to be ASE certified, they only need to be UPS certified. And to become certified, you'll need to have mastery of practical, theoretical, and specialized knowledge. It takes time, skill knowledge and usually an apprenticeship. Not everyone can do it, in fact, plenty cannot.

A UPS driver takes no skill or smarts. Am I over simplifying it? Maybe just a little, but not really. The only issue as to why someone can't make it as a UPS driver is because they are not fast enough. But anyone can do the job, given time. Not everyone can be a plumber, electrician, mechanic no matter how much time you give them.

If the driving position is so easy why is there a 4 year progression to reach full scale?

Similar to a plumber, electrician or mechanic who go through a apprenticeship program, in fact very similar to a 4 year program at college.

What are the skill levels required to become an executive by the way...?

 

[DELACROIX]

Fair point.



Yes, but that has nothing to do with the skillset required. Almost anyone can do the job, given enough time, and theoretically, be making $100K by age 25.

Then why did you go into management?