no i said tax system and economic system. tax system would be government. economic system is enforced by government meaning you can only have slavery in jail for example.
California is a sorry excuse for a state
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floridays
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I read what you said, I know what you mean, exactly.
Fred's Myth
Nonhyphenated American
I would agree with you if I were a Socialist, but fortunately, I'm a Capitalist.
You are way overstating the poverty issue. Look at FedEx. Look at it's total payroll and compare it to it's profit. Where is the money coming from to give everyone high pay? Do I think they should've done better in the past? Absolutely. But I also think the new pay plan is fair for what they're asking people to do. I don't think it's fair that people who've already worked 10+ years have to work another 9 to top out but after two decades of low pay it's better than nothing. But some people are never satisfied if they see their boss making more.
DriveInDriveOut
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Don't believe in clear questions, huh?
We're not salaried employees, and I don't know any driver who works only 40 hours a week. You wanna try again at asking a clear question?
Fred's Myth
Nonhyphenated American
Pretty much sums up Communism. Sounds like you need to relocate.
And because Socialists believe we can all have great financial lives and the Capitalists believe only owners should enjoy the fruits of their labor then we'll have this continual struggle that too often in the past lead to bloodshed. No one wants to settle for reasonable, it's all me, me, me.
Fred's Myth
Nonhyphenated American
There are plenty of Capitalists who reward their employees that create wealth for them both. They won't be found in large corporations with Boards and Beancounters, however.
UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)
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Van, you have been a helper for the past few weeks or so-----what do you think is a fair hourly/annual wage for a UPS FT seniority pkg car driver?
I have stated in the past that $25-28/hr, plus benefits, would be a more appropriate wage for a job that only requires a HS diploma and drivers license.
I have stated in the past that $25-28/hr, plus benefits, would be a more appropriate wage for a job that only requires a HS diploma and drivers license.
capitalism and state communism have ALOT in common. which is why they both suck.
it would be reasonable if workers are the ones who own and decide what to do with the fruits of their labour like many worker cooperatives do
capitalism distributes wealth, and government redistributes it (potentially more equally, but not necessarily)
floridays
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I told you,"I read what you said, I know what you mean, exactly." Got it?
It will be fine
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Many workers make bad decisions when it comes to money.
UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)
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...hence the need for a defined benefit pension plan...
ditto for capitalists. which is why capitalist businesses are more likely to go bankrupt than cooperative ones.
and I TOLD YOU im going to elaborate
floridays
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Save your breath, I already know where you pitch you tent.
Over 40 hours is OT. If it's available fine. Aren't UPS drivers making around $72k on 40 hours? Is that fair? If not how much do you think they should make? And if they are all working OT at over $50hr then are they then making enough with good benefits or do you feel it should be more?
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