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rickyb

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You are stretching what I said. You need to put 2+2 together. If he requires the hijab to be worn at school it's to satisfy religious tenets. All part and parcel of subjugation of women in Islam. The hijab isn't a decorative scarf. He can't legally require them to wear it out of school in England but rest assured if he was in a conservative Muslim nation he would enforce wearing it everywhere outside the home.
it didnt say required.

how would you know he would enforce it? turkey doesnt enforce it and its got a muslim symbol for a flag
 

rickyb

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You are stretching what I said. You need to put 2+2 together. If he requires the hijab to be worn at school it's to satisfy religious tenets. All part and parcel of subjugation of women in Islam. The hijab isn't a decorative scarf. He can't legally require them to wear it out of school in England but rest assured if he was in a conservative Muslim nation he would enforce wearing it everywhere outside the home.
it just says encouraged at an muslim school.

im free to encourage you to wear a hijab. he did the same.

my bandana is my hijab btw. its got all kinds of political stuff on it and pings US border patrols interest.
 

vantexan

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it just says encouraged at an muslim school.

im free to encourage you to wear a hijab. he did the same.

my bandana is my hijab btw. its got all kinds of political stuff on it and pings US border patrols interest.
Not the same thing. And it says encouraged to wear the hijab outside the school.
 

vantexan

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so youre against people encouraging people to do things?

but in favor of private muslim schools encouraging students to wear hijabs at school.
Are you dense or something? It's required at the school, not encouraged. Has nothing to do with how I feel about it. Seriously man you need help.
 

rickyb

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Are you dense or something? It's required at the school, not encouraged. Has nothing to do with how I feel about it. Seriously man you need help.
it says encouraged in the school rules.

it also says encouraged outside of school.

are you in favor of private schools encouraging their students to wear school uniform outside of school?
 

vantexan

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While he was in post at the 800-student state secondary, it became one of the first schools in the country to encourage pupils, in its school rules, to wear a hijab outside school as well as in the classroom.
@rickyb They were encouraged to wear it outside school. They are required to wear it in school.
 

vantexan

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you support the second part because you said you support private schools dress codes.

do you support the first part?
I never said I support dress codes. I pointed out that private schools set their own dress codes. This is common knowledge. Why do you not know this? But you have to realize that requiring those girls to wear the hijab isn't about school dress codes. It's part of Islamic subjugation of women. It's a religious school, it's part of their religion, they can require the wearing of it at school. But don't kid yourself, it's not about them thinking it looks nice with the rest of the uniform.
 

rickyb

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I never said I support dress codes. I pointed out that private schools set their own dress codes. This is common knowledge. Why do you not know this? But you have to realize that requiring those girls to wear the hijab isn't about school dress codes. It's part of Islamic subjugation of women. It's a religious school, it's part of their religion, they can require the wearing of it at school. But don't kid yourself, it's not about them thinking it looks nice with the rest of the uniform.
if a school wants its kids to dress a certain way, thats a dress code. when i look up why women wear hijabs, it doesnt mention what you said. i understand in iran the govt enforces it.

so you dont support private schools telling students to do dress codes?

because the way i look at it, either you support private schools setting dress codes including hijabs, or you dont. its not a gray area.

yea my dad said muslim laws were written by men, thats his limited interpretation of it

i dont know what the word for what you did was regarding that article, but it made no mention of being forced to do it in school or outside of school, or what that leader would do if it was a muslim country. that was all your imagination.
 

vantexan

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if a school wants its kids to dress a certain way, thats a dress code. when i look up why women wear hijabs, it doesnt mention what you said. i understand in iran the govt enforces it.

so you dont support private schools telling students to do dress codes?

because the way i look at it, either you support private schools setting dress codes including hijabs, or you dont. its not a gray area.

yea my dad said muslim laws were written by men, thats his limited interpretation of it

i dont know what the word for what you did was regarding that article, but it made not mention of being forced to do it in school or outside of school, or what that leader would do if it was a muslim country.
It did not say they aren't forced inside or outside of school. The hijab is most definitely a covering for a woman's head required by the Islamic religion.

Why is it necessary to declare whether I support dress codes in private schools? That's something that goes on at private schools all over the world and was going on long before I was born. I already told you that the school that man was over was a private religious school and as such it's their right to require the girls there observe a tenet of their faith. In the same way that Catholic schools require modesty in dress as opposed to the let it all hang out nature of clothing in today's public schools. Of course I support their right to do that. But the hijab takes it further. Women in many Muslim countries are chattel. The hijab, and even more so the burqa, symbolizes the woman's subservient place in their belief system. A Catholic schoolgirl can go home after school and change into another outfit. But Muslim women where enforced risk physical harm for not wearing the hijab. As a matter of fact there were major protests in Iran last year after their police beat a young woman to death who refused to wear a hijab. Years ago there was a fire at a girls school in Saudi Arabia. The girls tried to flee the fire but were beaten by the morality police and forced back into the burning building because they weren't properly covered. A lot of girls died.
 

rickyb

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It did not say they aren't forced inside or outside of school. The hijab is most definitely a covering for a woman's head required by the Islamic religion.

Why is it necessary to declare whether I support dress codes in private schools? That's something that goes on at private schools all over the world and was going on long before I was born. I already told you that the school that man was over was a private religious school and as such it's their right to require the girls there observe a tenet of their faith. In the same way that Catholic schools require modesty in dress as opposed to the let it all hang out nature of clothing in today's public schools. Of course I support their right to do that. But the hijab takes it further. Women in many Muslim countries are chattel. The hijab, and even more so the burqa, symbolizes the woman's subservient place in their belief system. A Catholic schoolgirl can go home after school and change into another outfit. But Muslim women where enforced risk physical harm for not wearing the hijab. As a matter of fact there were major protests in Iran last year after their police beat a young woman to death who refused to wear a hijab. Years ago there was a fire at a girls school in Saudi Arabia. The girls tried to flee the fire but were beaten by the morality police and forced back into the burning building because they weren't properly covered. A lot of girls died.
our tenant was a rebel in iran and the govt gave her a choice, either stay and go to jail or leave. she left. i agree people are dying out there. our women are treated less badly but we have problems for women here too like abortion, maternity leave, lower pay, single mothers with inadequate welfare, sexualized commercialism, etc. for example usa never had a woman president win. what do you think thats about...

i agree in iran the women are supposed to wear a hijab

it said "encourage pupils, in its school rules, to wear a hijab outside school as well as in the classroom." if theres rules which encourage thats not forced.

im not sure the hijab symbolizes that because when i google it the first result doesnt mention it. it could be a right wing conspiracy theory. ill ask my neighbour too.

you can be a muslim and not wear a hijab. i sat next to a turkish girl in school. she didnt wear one but she prayed all the time. she wasnt very honest haha. i dont think you know too much.
 

vantexan

Well-Known Member
our tenant was a rebel in iran and the govt gave her a choice, either stay and go to jail or leave. she left. i agree people are dying out there. our women are treated less badly but we have problems for women here too like abortion, maternity leave, lower pay, single mothers with inadequate welfare, sexualized commercialism, etc. for example usa never had a woman president win. what do you think thats about...

i agree in iran the women are supposed to wear a hijab

it said "encourage pupils, in its school rules, to wear a hijab outside school as well as in the classroom." if theres rules which encourage thats not forced.

im not sure the hijab symbolizes that because when i google it the first result doesnt mention it. it could be a right wing conspiracy theory. ill ask my neighbour too.

you can be a muslim and not wear a hijab. i sat next to a turkish girl in school. she didnt wear one but she prayed all the time. she wasnt very honest haha. i dont think you know too much.
I'll defer to your greater knowledge. When you move to the U.K. and are living in a mostly Muslim neighborhood be sure to let all the local men know you are living with, sleeping with, a young Muslim woman. I'm sure they'll be impressed and slap you on the back.
 

oldngray

nowhere special
I'll defer to your greater knowledge. When you move to the U.K. and are living in a mostly Muslim neighborhood be sure to let all the local men know you are living with, sleeping with, a young Muslim woman. I'm sure they'll be impressed and slap you on the back.
Hang out with her brothers
 

rickyb

Well-Known Member
I'll defer to your greater knowledge. When you move to the U.K. and are living in a mostly Muslim neighborhood be sure to let all the local men know you are living with, sleeping with, a young Muslim woman. I'm sure they'll be impressed and slap you on the back.
no deferring.

It did not say they aren't forced inside or outside of school. The hijab is most definitely a covering for a woman's head required by the Islamic religion.

Why is it necessary to declare whether I support dress codes in private schools? That's something that goes on at private schools all over the world and was going on long before I was born. I already told you that the school that man was over was a private religious school and as such it's their right to require the girls there observe a tenet of their faith. In the same way that Catholic schools require modesty in dress as opposed to the let it all hang out nature of clothing in today's public schools. Of course I support their right to do that. But the hijab takes it further. Women in many Muslim countries are chattel. The hijab, and even more so the burqa, symbolizes the woman's subservient place in their belief system. A Catholic schoolgirl can go home after school and change into another outfit. But Muslim women where enforced risk physical harm for not wearing the hijab. As a matter of fact there were major protests in Iran last year after their police beat a young woman to death who refused to wear a hijab. Years ago there was a fire at a girls school in Saudi Arabia. The girls tried to flee the fire but were beaten by the morality police and forced back into the burning building because they weren't properly covered. A lot of girls died.
the article didnt say that it said "encourage pupils, in its school rules". if it was required it would not say encourage. if i encourage you to jump off a cliff, its still ultimately up to you whether you jump or not.

are you in favor of private schools setting dress codes or not?

if you are then you support dress codes which include hijabs, hats, and bandanas.

if you are not in favor of private school dress codes, then you are against schools telling the students what clothes to wear including hijabs.
 

vantexan

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no deferring.


the article didnt say that it said "encourage pupils, in its school rules". if it was required it would not say encourage. if i encourage you to jump off a cliff, its still ultimately up to you whether you jump or not.

are you in favor of private schools setting dress codes or not?

if you are then you support dress codes which include hijabs, hats, and bandanas.

if you are not in favor of private school dress codes, then you are against schools telling the students what clothes to wear including hijabs.
Why would a Catholic school or any other school but a Muslim school encourage the wearing of hijabs? And why don't Muslim boys wear hijabs? It's required by conservative Muslims that their women cover their heads. Can't be enforced in public in Western countries although a Muslim woman may choose to wear one voluntarily. But in a private Muslim school they can tell the girls they must wear it. Otherwise they aren't allowed to attend.
 
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