"Grace alone" is nowhere in the bible.Science | AAAS
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Nope Grace alone, no one is deserving of it and it is freely given.
You also have told us that homosexuality, transgenderism, abortion, obscenity are all subjective and up to each individual as to what they accept. There are moral absolutes given in the Bible that you reject and must reject in order to justify accepting those behaviors. This is why you don't take a completely literal approach. The Bible says Jesus's tongue is like a two edged sword. Was it literally? Jesus said he is the door. Is he a literal door? Saying we take everything literally is just a rationalization of your own refusal to accept God's word as given to us through the Bible.
We're told that all our righteousness is as filthy rags to God. As sinful beings we are never good enough to deserve the sacrifice Jesus made for us. Thus it's God's grace that covers us. But as Paul pointed out we shouldn't sin that grace may abound. We are in a saved state when we are baptized but can lose that state if we continue to sin. Again, read all the New Testament, all of Jesus's teachings and Paul's writings in particular but absolutely all of it.
Yes and you reject them too.
No, that was done away with. We are now under the New Testament. What we reject is the sin. We all sin. How we choose to handle our sin is how we'll be judged.
So according to you you need to be pious to get into heaven, yet you aren’t under laws you are under grace and at the same time that Grace acts like laws.
I believe this as well.
But not because this.
I understand. I have pursued this line of thought in the past, even partly believed it. My thoughts have changed on this and today I personally think it is more silly to think that objective truth doesn’t exist outside of human understanding.
You seem to know much about it.
So this is your reason for using the Bible and Bible verses.
IMO I would not be viewed a fundamentalist by many.
Are they not entitled to their religious freedom, their opinions, and religious beliefs? As you are?
IMO both are theories. Both are provable by the basis that the assumptions that support the presented theory is made.
Not sure what you are saying here.
How you you deny their right to believe that?
I believe there is objective reality.
I believe God took care of that through Jesus.
Where does your morality that there is only subjective reality come?
I didn’t say objective truth, I said objective morality. I believe in objective truths up until I’m proven wrong by evidence, then it is no longer truths. There is a big difference in saying the earth rotates around the sun and it is morally right to kill homosexuals. One is making a scientific claim the other is making a moral one.
See previous post and no there are no objective scientific proofs in the Bible, only claims.
Sure they are. But they are not entitled to their own facts and objective truths. Those are subjective.
They absolutely are not both theories. One is a scientific fact supported by actual evidence, the other is a fairy tale found in an old story.
Probably speaking about Grace under god. How it is literally just a cult like belief of believe in the leader and you are saved for the afterlife.
Yes but not morality.
There isn’t just subjective reality, there is objective reality but only subjective morality.
If you read the entire New Testament including Paul's writing you'll see you must be baptized and you must sincerely attempt to live the Christian life. For example I use to argue a bit with a person who is no longer on the forum. He sincerely believed that after being saved there was nothing he could do that would cause him to lose his salvation. So he would talk about picking up women and getting a bit drunk. It was just a bit of fun for him, no harm done in his mind. That isn't what the Bible teaches. Some people don't seem to realize why we shouldn't engage in various behaviors we call sin. They either hurt us, hurt others, or hurt society in general. Often all the above if not always. Living the Christian life means being faithful to your wife, not physically harming her, not sexually abusing your children, not taking from others without their consent, not cheating others, and on and on. What a world we would have if we did the best we could to not sin, and sincerely ask for forgiveness from God and others when we do, and growing stronger in Christ the more we try. That's the utopia I want, not the world some would have giving in to all our base desires. That's a world where women and children are exploited, things are brutally taken by force, and people chemically alter their reality because their world is too harsh. My opinion may mean little to some, but I'd rather that be so than say everything is subjective, do what feels good to you, all is relative, there's no moral absolutes. That gets us that brutal world that we are spiraling into.
Try reading Roman 6 again and tell me baptism is required.
Again you aren't taking all of Paul's writings or all the New Testament in its entirety. Paul is discussing a subject in Romans 6, not laying out a step by step guide for becoming a Christian.
Actually they did, as laid out by Paul.
Not according to scripture.Actually they did, as laid out by Paul.
The main reason for obeying the laws of Moses was to appease the circumcised(Jews). All things to all men, but at the same time he made it clear the old ways were dead and it is by grace alone. God plays no favoritism for the holier than thou folks. Baptism, circumcision, holy works, none of that is required by the gospels. Everyone is a sinner and everyone is viewed equally by the father and Christ. All you have to do is repent and accept this.
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Perfect forgiveness of Christ and grace alone.
Freedom of the gentiles.
I meant to say morality and not truth.
Diversity of thought. No problem.
Theory of Evolution is given the title theory. IMO Some fairy tales tell heroic inspiring stories.
Do you believe you have a spirit or a soul?
I meant to say I believe in an objective morality. My bad.
Do you believe this?Actually they did, as laid out by Paul.
The main reason for obeying the laws of Moses was to appease the circumcised(Jews). All things to all men, but at the same time he made it clear the old ways were dead and it is by grace alone. God plays no favoritism for the holier than thou folks. Baptism, circumcision, holy works, none of that is required by the gospels. Everyone is a sinner and everyone is viewed equally by the father and Christ. All you have to do is repent and accept this.
The Triumph of Gentile Freedom, The Origin of Paul's Religion, John Gresham Machen, Christian Classics books at BibleStudyTools.com
Read The Triumph of Gentile Freedom of The Origin of Paull's Religion from author John Gresham Machen. Find more Christian classics for theology and Bible study at Bible Study Tools....
Perfect forgiveness of Christ and grace alone.
Freedom of the gentiles.
Doesn’t matter what I believe. That is what the apostate Paul believed as laid out in the Bible when he admonished fellow circumcised Christians for turning their backs on gentiles.
Yes according to scripture if you bothered to read. James was spreading the word to Jews. He had to win them over.
