climate catastrophe

[BadIdeaGuy]

employees get paid less than the value they produce.

also its bad for democracy to take orders 40 hours a week. democracy is not something where you just vote every 2 years and are a spectator the rest of the time. its supposed to be all the time.

Lol wut?

Ricky. Really?

 

[BadIdeaGuy]

worker coops are more likely to succeed than capitalist biz, im not sure why, maybe bc since the workers are owners theyre more invested in the business succeeding rather than just being paid by the hour and doing bare min to keep your job.

Then why aren’t there more coops?

 

[rickyb]

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When they stop caring about their customers, and care about what government says, The government is their customer.

i dont think they actually believe in free markets if theyre always going to the govt for more money. think the govt gave big biz 4 trillion since the pandemic started.

 

[rickyb]

Then why aren’t there more coops?

crushed by force probably. this is what the CIA and brits did to the italians (who still lead the world) after ww2 and the fascists and allies did to catalonia. policy. most ppl have never even heard of them. for example i worked with this right wing respiratory therapist, he was about 40, and neither him nor the other 2 ever heard of this. should make you wonder why... so if you never heard of this, youre probably not going to start your own.

 

[rickyb]

Sorry doesn’t work that way, Consumers determine value.

if the govt gives me 5 weeks vacation by law, that would be an example of govt determining my value.

 

[rickyb]

Why not? With socialism, the workers are slaves to the people who don’t want to work. Democrats enslaved african Americans since the late 1700’s and they are enslaving the whole population as we speak with all their government “help” programs.

you know whats funny i heard in slavery the masters would encourage religion for the slaves.

the whole waiting till your next life thing so you r passive in this life.

 

[Thebrownblob]

if the govt gives me 5 weeks vacation by law, that would be an example of govt determining my value.

What does this have to do with anything? And why would you want the government to determine any of that? And I get more vacation than that and the government had nothing to do with it.

 

[BadIdeaGuy]

crushed by force probably. this is what the CIA and brits did to the italians (who still lead the world) after ww2 and the fascists and allies did to catalonia. policy. most ppl have never even heard of them. for example i worked with this right wing respiratory therapist, he was about 40, and neither him nor the other 2 ever heard of this. should make you wonder why... so if you never heard of this, youre probably not going to start your own.

We need to get you a hobby.

 

[rickyb]

That’s impossible how could A company stay in business if they weren’t profiting from workers. Each day I deliver and pick up thousands and thousands of dollars worth of packages. The only way the company could not profit off of what I do is to give me those thousands and thousands of dollars. But then They could not buy Vehicles, buildings, and infrastructure. They would not exist. You live in a fantasy world which is why Socialism never works in reality.

workers can collectively profit off themselves and determine what to do with the value they produce

remember about the divine right of kings. then we got rid of them

political democracy used to be a radical idea too. we take it for granted now.

 

[rickyb]

We need to get you a hobby.

problem is most ppl dont know how to live a balanced life. they think they can work 40 hours a week and this will sustain civilization. but its obviously not working, the world is getting worse

 

[rickyb]

What does this have to do with anything? And why would you want the government to determine any of that? And I get more vacation than that and the government had nothing to do with it.

ive never gotten more vacation than 3 weeks and hte govt has everything to do with it bc we dont have a law saying we have a right to 4 or 5 or 6 weeks. so this is an example of the govt determining value. ive done union railway jobs, fuel truck, car rental, hospital.

https://cepr.net/images/stories/reports/no-vacation-nation-2019-05.pdf

 

[Non liberal]

no socialism traditionally has always been about ending employers profiting off employees and worker self determination.

power corrupts. so when you give a capitalist too much power they abuse it.

the solution to power is democracy; 1 person 1 vote. Or in this case 1 worker 1 vote.

richard wolff is america's biggest proponent of worker run jobs. even bernie sanders in 2016 initially had this as part of his campaign proposals.

https://www.youtube.com/c/democracyatwrk/videos

Lol, Bernie sanders is a joke. No, take your idea of socialism and keep it in Canada. It gives no drive, no want to better ones self. It takes the ingenuity away from a population and replaces it with mediocrity. And in the end it leads to enslaving a particular group of people in order to put everyone on the same level playing field. And it’s not right.

 

[rickyb]

Lol, Bernie sanders is a joke. No, take your idea of socialism and keep it in Canada. It gives no drive, no want to better ones self. It takes the ingenuity away from a population and replaces it with mediocrity. And in the end it leads to enslaving a particular group of people in order to put everyone on the same level playing field. And it’s not right.

socialism isnt going away

capitalism currently has mankind threatened with 2 annihilation events: global warming and nukes.

 

[Dum preloader]

you know whats funny i heard in slavery the masters would encourage religion for the slaves.

the whole waiting till your next life thing so you r passive in this life.

Communism does not like the Bible.

 

[rickyb]

Communism does not like the Bible.

i have no idea but i dont think jesus would support capitalism lol

maximizing profits, ripping ppl off, pollution, telling workers what to do.

i think not.

 

[Dum preloader]

i have no idea but i dont think jesus would support capitalism lol

maximizing profits, ripping ppl off, pollution, telling workers what to do.

i think not.

Jesus has a kingdom of his own and it's not ran on a man made government system.

So no, Jesus wasnt a capitalist either.

 

[Non liberal]

you know whats funny i heard in slavery the masters would encourage religion for the slaves.

the whole waiting till your next life thing so you r passive in this life.

So, don’t distract from the truth that democrats have been enslaving our population for the last 300 years. What does religion have to do with the racist democrats?

 

[Non liberal]

Jesus has a kingdom of his own and it's not ran on a man made government system.

So no, Jesus wasnt a capitalist either.

Actually he taught that you only get what you put into something. And that if you want something you must work for it. So Jesus was very much a capitalist

 

[UnionStrong]

socialism isnt going away

capitalism currently has mankind threatened with 2 annihilation events: global warming and nukes.

It will when the socialists get eliminated

 

[Non liberal]

socialism isnt going away

capitalism currently has mankind threatened with 2 annihilation events: global warming and nukes.

Nether of which exist. You are a slave to your government and media. Good luck!