Continuing Reagan’s failed War on Drugs.

[Catatonic]

Usage does not equal addiction

Depends upon the dosage and frequency.

brother you're way out there on this one. once an addict you are an addict for life.

I agree with both of you because your reply is not directly related to Dave's post.

 

[DriveInDriveOut]

this is where I part on the libertarian philosophy. that heroin addict becomes a threat to me and my family when he engages in criminal activity

Guns.
Think before you post .

 

[MAKAVELI]

Except the kids that are afraid of getting busted, and I promise you the that a kid might grow in his dads yard isn't the same he's gonna buy. Did you grow in your yard, of course not, fear of being busted, some kids won't use for the fear of being busted.

You are seriously out of touch old geezer. Weed is the new alcohol for teenagers. It's so abundantly available they don't need to grow it in their backyard. While " some " may be fearful of getting busted, it's much more mainstream then you can comprehend.

 

[floridays]

You are seriously out of touch old geezer. Weed is the new alcohol for teenagers. It's so abundantly available they don't need to grow it in their backyard. While " some " may be fearful of getting busted, it's much more mainstream then you can comprehend.

I'm sure I'm out of touch, that doesn't mean it's good for the kids. I've got no problem with legalization of weed if a state chooses to do so. I think we can agree children should be neither drunks or stoners. My entry into this whole argument came from contesting someone claiming states rights should prevail, yet would not extend the same philosophy to something they disagreed with. I frankly don't give a what an adult smokes or doesn't smoke, ingests or injects so long as they don't friend with me or mine, and don't get in my billfold for treatment or associated complications. Peace

 

[badpal]

I'm sure I'm out of touch, that doesn't mean it's good for the kids. I've got no problem with legalization of weed if a state chooses to do so. I think we can agree children should be neither drunks or stoners. My entry into this whole argument came from contesting someone claiming states rights should prevail, yet would not extend the same philosophy to something they disagreed with. I frankly don't give a what an adult smokes or doesn't smoke, ingests or injects so long as they don't friend with me or mine, and don't get in my billfold for treatment or associated complications. Peace

I agree with you, its fine some states have it, I just won't visit them. But we are dry here and if some states want to have the death penalty for possession for it, that should be ok too.

 

[MAKAVELI]

I'm sure I'm out of touch, that doesn't mean it's good for the kids. I've got no problem with legalization of weed if a state chooses to do so. I think we can agree children should be neither drunks or stoners. My entry into this whole argument came from contesting someone claiming states rights should prevail, yet would not extend the same philosophy to something they disagreed with. I frankly don't give a what an adult smokes or doesn't smoke, ingests or injects so long as they don't friend with me or mine, and don't get in my billfold for treatment or associated complications. Peace

Never said it was good for kids. Neither is alcohol, or nicotine, but those are legal, regulated, and taxed. There is no realistic way to control weed use as it is mainstream now and the best thing we can do is legalize it, regulate, and tax it just like alcohol and nicotine.

 

[MAKAVELI]

 

[floridays]

Never said it was good for kids. Neither is alcohol, or nicotine, but those are legal, regulated, and taxed. There is no realistic way to control weed use as it is mainstream now and the best thing we can do is legalize it, regulate, and tax it just like alcohol and nicotine.

Any state that wants to do it is fine by me, and I wouldn't have a problem living in that state. Mak, laws stop nothing I realize that, laws just identify and punish an offender when caught offending.

 

[vantexan]

Exactly. So what have we learned from this? Where there is a will, there is a way. Keeping weed illegal does nothing to stop kids from getting high. You may not truly understand just how common and easy it is for kids to get weed. The stuff literally grows anywhere and there is an abundant supply, unlike hard drugs.

So let's stop fighting it and let people do whatever they want, even if it's not in the best interests of society or themselves to do so?

 

[vantexan]

Nice to see you being blatantly dishonest. Your current claim is all about the children and you want fewer children using drugs. When presented with evidence that legalization accomplishes this you find something else to hang on to. If you don't want to acknowledge solutions that work to accomplish the goals you claim to be seeking why debate?

Don't give me how you care about children. You'd abort one in a heartbeat. I want a world where drugs aren't as common as candy. And struggling to that end is worth it to me and the hundreds of millions who do not use illegal drugs or abuse legal ones. Before anyone gets on their high horse, pun intended, about pot, he's for the legalization of hard drugs. It'll be a sad day if that ever happens.

 

[MAKAVELI]

So let's stop fighting it and let people do whatever they want, even if it's not in the best interests of society or themselves to do so?

It's mainstream Van. It's proven to have medicinal benefits and less harmful than alcohol. The only thing left to do is legalize it, regulate it and tax it.

 

[floridays]

It's mainstream Van. It's proven to have medicinal benefits and less harmful than alcohol. The only thing left to do is legalize it, regulate it and tax it.

Thanks for that post last night I think it was about medicinal use, saw something that caught my curiosity dealing with circulatory problems.

 

[MAKAVELI]

Thanks for that post last night I think it was about medicinal use, saw something that caught my curiosity dealing with circulatory problems.

It looks like Florida is slowly moving in the direction of fully legalizing medicinal marijuana.

 

[vantexan]

It's mainstream Van. It's proven to have medicinal benefits and less harmful than alcohol. The only thing left to do is legalize it, regulate it and tax it.

And most likely that'll happen as it's a huge revenue stream for government.

 

[floridays]

It looks like Florida is slowly moving in the direction of fully legalizing medicinal marijuana.

Like everyone else is, I've never thought it was a bad thing, could have saved my ex-mother-in-law some pain and helped her appetite while she died from cancer. I told her she should have been nicer to me.

 

[MAKAVELI]

And most likely that'll happen as it's a huge revenue stream for government.

It definitely will be for Cali.

 

[It will be fine]

you tried to make the point that legalizing is somehow better. How is it better when usage and addiction went up in your example. hope that helps.

The example said nothing of addiction increasing, you added that in yourself. It said usage went up, you need to understand the two are different. I'm not sure what you don't understand, one can use drugs and not be an addict.

 

[It will be fine]

Don't give me how you care about children. You'd abort one in a heartbeat. I want a world where drugs aren't as common as candy. And struggling to that end is worth it to me and the hundreds of millions who do not use illegal drugs or abuse legal ones. Before anyone gets on their high horse, pun intended, about pot, he's for the legalization of hard drugs. It'll be a sad day if that ever happens.

Jeez Van that's a low blow to someone that actually has children. It really shows your moral failing. If you really are struggling to rid the world of drugs and protect children you should follow the evidence of policy that actually achieves those goals.

 

[El Correcto]

So let's stop fighting it and let people do whatever they want, even if it's not in the best interests of society or themselves to do so?

I think it is the best interest of society to quit funding terrorism and organized crime, to quit branding addicts as felons and flooding the prisons, to create new tax revenues for the government, to create jobs for the citizens, to end the war on majority black communities ravaged by drugs, to better regulate drugs to keep them out of the hands of children and bring up the quality for citizens.

I’ve stated this over and over but you keep repeating but it’s drugs, it would do no good to society to let people get high. We should continue a war on plants being manufactured in a way humans enjoy! I keep telling you yes getting high is bad, but the consequences of prohibition are worse. We are funding terrible people and putting our citizens in even more risk than just letting them get the drugs from a free market.

 

[El Correcto]

https://www.google.com/amp/www.newsweek.com/hezbollah-cocaine-smuggle-united-states-obama-751928?amp=1

Teens trained as brutal assassins by Mexican drug cartel: book

CIA involvement in Contra cocaine trafficking - Wikipedia

This is just the tip of the iceberg when it comes to the unregulated black market. I could sit here a post you probably 100,000 stories of drug cartels becoming more powerful and destabilizing not only our society but other countries as well. I could also post you stuff about the failure and corruption in the war on drugs. The evidence is every where we are fighting this in the wrong way.