Continuing Reagan’s failed War on Drugs.

[bottomups]

The Great Spirit put the marijuana plant on this planet for humans to evolve and figure out how to use it to his/her benefit. Why fight Mother Nature?

 

[newfie]

Hmmm ... I would think everything becomes a threat to you and your family when it engages in criminal activity that affects you?!?

"everything" is not a threat to me and my family.

 

[newfie]

The example said nothing of addiction increasing, you added that in yourself. It said usage went up, you need to understand the two are different. I'm not sure what you don't understand, one can use drugs and not be an addict.

we've already had this discussion. usage and treatment went up. treatment for what? Addiction

it did not counter to your desperate argument get better

 

[It will be fine]

we've already had this discussion. usage and treatment went up. treatment for what? Addiction

it did not counter to your desperate argument get better

Access to treatment was easier so more people sought treatment. You are continuing to demonstrate a lack of understanding. There was no mention of rates of addiction.

 

[vantexan]

Jeez Van that's a low blow to someone that actually has children. It really shows your moral failing. If you really are struggling to rid the world of drugs and protect children you should follow the evidence of policy that actually achieves those goals.

My moral failing? You advocate legalization of drugs. It's been tried in Switzerland and the Netherlands with miserable results. There's no good solution to drug usage, it's simply poison. As for kids, you advocate abortion. It's murder. Using protecting kids as a reason for legalization is disingenuous. Pot might be "mainstream" now but it's still only a minority who use it regular. Most people don't use it. Making it easily available to everyone isn't a step forward. I'm all for medicinal use, but not for recreational highs. The research says that teen and young adult brains are damaged by pot usage. We should be doing everything possible to keep it out of their hands, not say make it widely available because they're going to do it anyways.

 

[It will be fine]

My moral failing? You advocate legalization of drugs. It's been tried in Switzerland and the Netherlands with miserable results. There's no good solution to drug usage, it's simply poison. As for kids, you advocate abortion. It's murder. Using protecting kids as a reason for legalization is disingenuous. Pot might be "mainstream" now but it's still only a minority who use it regular. Most people don't use it. Making it easily available to everyone isn't a step forward. I'm all for medicinal use, but not for recreational highs. The research says that teen and young adult brains are damaged by pot usage. We should be doing everything possible to keep it out of their hands, not say make it widely available because they're going to do it anyways.

You are morally bankrupt. You made the comment that I would abort a child in a heartbeat. I have children and that comment is disgusting and you should be ashamed of yourself for making it.

Show me any instance where prohibition has worked well in preventing drug use. Show me any instance where lying to children about the actual effects of drug use works well in prevention of drug abuse. Show me any instance where saddling countless young people with criminal records for nonviolent offenses is beneficial to society. I'm advocating solutions that are proving to actually be effective. Your obviously fake moral outrage doesn't fool anyone.

 

[Catatonic]

"everything" is not a threat to me and my family.

At least you are not totally paranoid!

 

[Catatonic]

Show me any instance where lying to children about the actual effects of drug use works well in prevention of drug abuse. Show me any instance where saddling countless young people with criminal records for nonviolent offenses is beneficial to society.

Dilly, dilly!

 

[floridays]

You are morally bankrupt. You made the comment that I would abort a child in a heartbeat. I have children and that comment is disgusting and you should be ashamed of yourself for making it.

Show me any instance where prohibition has worked well in preventing drug use. Show me any instance where lying to children about the actual effects of drug use works well in prevention of drug abuse. Show me any instance where saddling countless young people with criminal records for nonviolent offenses is beneficial to society. I'm advocating solutions that are proving to actually be effective. Your obviously fake moral outrage doesn't fool anyone.

"Show me any instance where saddling countless young people with criminal records for nonviolent offenses is beneficial to society."
Lets get this straight, if some young cherub drives off with my zero-turn I'm rightfully pissed and if apprehended the cherub should be held accountable. There is 1 instance of a nonviolent offense. I think it would be safe to say that more nonviolent theft and destruction of property is perpetrated by countless young people.
Lets get this straight also, the fake moral outrage rests in your lap, you are using the children to personally avoid possible criminal jeopardy.

 

[El Correcto]

My moral failing? You advocate legalization of drugs. It's been tried in Switzerland and the Netherlands with miserable results. There's no good solution to drug usage, it's simply poison. As for kids, you advocate abortion. It's murder. Using protecting kids as a reason for legalization is disingenuous. Pot might be "mainstream" now but it's still only a minority who use it regular. Most people don't use it. Making it easily available to everyone isn't a step forward. I'm all for medicinal use, but not for recreational highs. The research says that teen and young adult brains are damaged by pot usage. We should be doing everything possible to keep it out of their hands, not say make it widely available because they're going to do it anyways.

Yet again, but drugs are bad. We need to keep them from children. Criminals don’t care about your children, businesses held accountable do. Yet again yes drugs are not healthy for you, but prohibition is the greater of the two evils.

 

[El Correcto]

"Show me any instance where saddling countless young people with criminal records for nonviolent offenses is beneficial to society."
Lets get this straight, if some young cherub drives off with my zero-turn I'm rightfully and if apprehended the cherub should be held accountable. There is 1 instance of a nonviolent offense. I think it would be safe to say that more nonviolent theft and destruction of property is perpetrated by countless young people.
Lets get this straight also, the fake moral outrage rests in your lap, you are using the children to personally avoid possible criminal jeopardy.

Drug offenses alone should not be jailing people, taking away their rights and smearing them on the record preventing future prosperity. Addicts turn into life long criminals who make contacts in prison and get a black market education.

 

[floridays]

Drug offenses alone should not be jailing people, taking away their rights and smearing them on the record preventing future prosperity. Addicts turn into life long criminals who make contacts in prison and get a black market education.

I was addressing Any instance, drug offenses were not the target of my post. IWBF asked to be shown any instance, I simply obliged.

 

[floridays]

Yet again, but drugs are bad. We need to keep them from children. Criminals don’t care about your children, businesses held accountable do. Yet again yes drugs are not healthy for you, but prohibition is the greater of the two evils.

The same businesses you have decried for pushing sugar to children, those businesses that care about children?

 

[El Correcto]

You guys arguing for prohibition are not addressing the power criminals and terrorist are gaining in the black market. You are not addressing how much money we could start making instead of losing, how many jobs businesses and industries would be created. You just keep repeating the same failed argument of protect are children and drugs are bad.

You need to wake up Nancy Reagan, prohibition is a failed policy with roots in racism and handing police the power to crush minorities. You are not preventing children from doing drugs, you are guaranteeing them avenues to obtain them from criminals.

Yes drugs are bad, but prohibition is worse and always will be.

 

[El Correcto]

The same businesses you have decried for pushing sugar to children, those businesses that care about children?

yes The same businesses who would lose their asses if found selling cigarettes or alcohol to children.

 

[floridays]

You guys arguing for prohibition are not addressing the power criminals and terrorist are gaining in the black market. You are not addressing how much money we could start making instead of losing, how many jobs businesses and industries would be created. You just keep repeating the same failed argument of protect are children and drugs are bad.

You need to wake up Nancy Reagan, prohibition is a failed policy with roots in racism and handing police the power to crush minorities. You are not preventing children from doing drugs, you are guaranteeing them avenues to obtain them from criminals.

Yes drugs are bad, but prohibition is worse and always will be.

I attacked your inconsistent stance on states rights, and was further drawn to post on assertions you and IWBF have raised on total legalization of All drugs.

 

[floridays]

yes The same businesses who would lose their asses if found selling cigarettes or alcohol to children.

So I'm to believe when ALL drugs are legalized, produced according to strict government standards and sold by registered law abiding businesses, the black market will magically disappear.

 

[El Correcto]

I attacked your inconsistent stance on states rights, and was further drawn to post on assertions you and IWBF have raised on total legalization of All drugs.

I was pointing out the conservative inconsistency of states rights. That’s 90% of their platform when it comes to denying citizens rights and passing bad legislation.

 

[floridays]

I was pointing out the conservative inconsistency of states rights. That’s 90% of their platform when it comes to denying citizens rights and passing bad legislation.

I asked you a direct question and your answer exhibited the same inconsistency you attribute to conservatives.

 

[El Correcto]

So I'm to believe when ALL drugs are legalized, produced according to strict government standards and sold by registered law abiding businesses, the black market will magically disappear.

It would be a crippling blow for sure, especially with made in America regulations. You are a private business owner caught doing business with black market sources that compromise national security you are done for.