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DriveInDriveOut
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Thought you liked protests little Ricky....
actually i do. they were throwing rocks at trudeau, i dont agree with that, but democracy comes alive during protests and its good exercise too, plus you can meet ppl which the system doesnt want us to do. i dont agree with these ppl and you know if its a fascist protest or klan protest then its unnerving.
Non sequitur
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You are a communist in spirit if not in reality.
DriveInDriveOut
Inordinately Right
It's not a fascist klan protest, they're protesting against the fascist vaccine mandates that left wingers are pushing.
zubenelgenubi
I'm a star
I'm not sure if he knows what he is. He rails against the matrix with one breath, then says people can't self-regulate and need to be controlled with the next.
workers need more power on the job like a cooperative.
ive done enough union jobs both public and private now, to know it doesnt give workers enough power and still gives employers too much power which they predictably abuse. my govt union job is easily the most reasonable job ive ever done, but one of hte major problems now is we are understaffed and dont get proper breaks quite often.
you have your new deal because of the power of unions communists, and socialists scaring the govt into passing the legislation. it was fairly mainstream to be anti capitalism in america and in favor of the idea that "those who work in the mills should own them" maybe over 100 years ago. but decades of propaganda has driven that idea below the surface and now american workers are in favor of being exploited and see no other alternative.
im not saying it is nesbitt
zubenelgenubi
I'm a star
They also probably believe, and highly likely rightly so, that the election will be rigged.
ppl cant self regulate. smith couldnt self regulate; he destroyed the system.
which election?
zubenelgenubi
I'm a star
He didn't quite. That was the reason for the deal.struck between Neo and the Architect. Neo stopped Smith in return for the machines giving the humans their agency back. But that's what you want, right? The matrix destroyed? If it takes lack of self-regulation to do it, you should be encouraging that. I think I was wrong, you aren't Cipher, you are a Smith copy. If we can learn anything from the matrix, it's that we should let the corporatist puppet commies run amok. They think it will help keep the rest of us under control, but it'll cause them to lose control. We'll have to take it upon ourselves to stop them, in return we'll be given our agency back. Carry on Comrade.
zubenelgenubi
I'm a star
The one you don't pay attention to. The one called by the guy those people were protesting.
trudeau?
DriveInDriveOut
Inordinately Right
neo sacrificed himself but somehow the machines were the security force (equivalent to darth vader) and joined the revolution to end smiths destructive capitalism. and the ppl in zion were spared only in part because they rebelled, if they didnt fight back they wouldve been wiped out regardless of neo's actions. neo just took a new path with the architech where instead of reforming hte matrix like he did before (reload) we get a new path of revolution and yet the matrix still exists even after the 3rd movie ends.
i think what sheldon wolin recommended was we need a permanent counterveilling force to i forget probably the govt and capitalist power and thats besides the possibility he might not be in favor of capitalism to begin with.
i think just based on teh fact that we need rebellion under this current system for it to function bare minimum, then we probably cant rely on ppl self regulating although im in favor of teaching ppl to try and be good.
zubenelgenubi
I'm a star
yea i think at the end of the matrix you see smith looking very uncertain of himself and thats really what the profiteers will be doing as they try and extract their last bit of profit from a dying species.
zubenelgenubi
I'm a star
Smith wasn't capitalism. The matrix is the combination of government and corporatism control structures. Smith represents pathological ideas, such as communism, that spread throughout those stuck in the control matrix, robbing them of individuality, and turn them into unthinking copies of each other. When the ideas spread to a critical mass, the unthinking mob threaten all existence, the system, those in it, and those who wish to be free of it. The people of New Zion weren't so much rebelling, Smith was, they were acting in self-defense. It can also be argued that the machines set up the matrix out of self-defense.
The machines couldn't exist without the humans, and the humans couldn't exist without the machines. It took an existential threat for them to create a new synthesis and move to a higher plane of existence with mutual understanding and respect.
hmm thats very interesting. you could be right in part because this is deep art on many levels. maybe theres some connection between people being unthinking copies of each other and extinction level war or environmental destruction. neo doesnt copy himself, and smith does, so one points to a kind of mass consumption and one isnt. i am also sticking to karl marx's argument that unregulated capitalism is a revolutionary force which consumes everything until it consumes itself which im assuming the wachowskis also incorporated into this movie. smith was probably comparable to a virus and the matrix could just be seen as something which was untrue, and so as this virus destroyed the system it became increasingly obvious that what we were doing was wrong.
i mean theres likely alot of overlap with communism and american corporatism; you could argue theres alot of unthinking in north america and lack of individuality.
i cant recall the story of the animatrix i think the humans started it. but when ur lying to people to exploit them and giving them a
ty representation of life through computer screens ur partially guilty at least.yea i agree smith is like govt and capitalism mixed in, i guess theres a difference between capitalism and corporatism, but even capitalism doesnt cut it for me, and if we didnt have corporatism would capitalism be sustainable?
yea the people of zion escaped the matrix so thats a kind of rebellion, but then their numbers got to big, they didnt attack the machines. maybe its comparable to what israel calls "mowing the lawn".
im interested in more examples of pathological ideas from you, i had to look up the word.
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