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zubenelgenubi

I'm a star
no you crashed rickybot when you told me seatbelts are mostly stupid

That's still what you think I said? I really did break you.

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tadpole

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ppl point to sweden but i dont see it as a success story. i understand your frustration. youre living in a failed state and 1 symptom of this is you cant lower the cases.
I got a chance to learn a bit about New Zealand and the Covid measures they took. I live in the US and it’s hard for me to get a complete, accurate picture of what life is like in other countries, so feel free to correct me, but...

It seems to me they closed their borders before it had spread very far. Because they did so early, plus a lockdown, they were able to eliminate Covid from New Zealand.
Unfortunately, they are still vulnerable - they have to keep their borders closed until the rest of the world has reached immunity, or they risk letting Covid sweep through their population. We will have to continue to watch them to see if they are able to keep Covid out, and at what cost. They are losing much of their tourism revenue.

Contrast that with Sweden - they seem to be mostly through with Covid while the rest of Europe is still getting hurt by it. Meaning they have their freedom. When all is said and done, we can look at the totals. We’ll have to wait and see and compare.
 

zubenelgenubi

I'm a star

If anecdotal evidence is good enough for you, Wisconsin has had a mask mandate in effect, and has chosen to extend it because of a sharp increase in cases. If mask mandates mean fewer new cases, or even a slow down of the growth in new cases, then Wisconsin is inexplicable. But, if other factors are at work, then perhaps Wisconsin can be explained after all.

Oregon has had state wide mask mandates since July, and many counties have had mask mandates since May. The numbers of cases don't seem to have any correlation to mask mandates there.

I'm sure I can find more examples of these conditions, but I think I made my point. If you ignore the data that doesn't support your views, you can justify anything you want.
 

zubenelgenubi

I'm a star
I got a chance to learn a bit about New Zealand and the Covid measures they took. I live in the US and it’s hard for me to get a complete, accurate picture of what life is like in other countries, so feel free to correct me, but...

It seems to me they closed their borders before it had spread very far. Because they did so early, plus a lockdown, they were able to eliminate Covid from New Zealand.
Unfortunately, they are still vulnerable - they have to keep their borders closed until the rest of the world has reached immunity, or they risk letting Covid sweep through their population. We will have to continue to watch them to see if they are able to keep Covid out, and at what cost. They are losing much of their tourism revenue.

Contrast that with Sweden - they seem to be mostly through with Covid while the rest of Europe is still getting hurt by it. Meaning they have their freedom. When all is said and done, we can look at the totals. We’ll have to wait and see and compare.

The fallacy of New Zealand is that they don't know that Covid didn't already sweep through there before anyone knew it was a thing. We could look up demographics to see how their vulnerable population stacks up. But, assuming we can accept the official information as is, I agree, NZ is simply putting off the inevitable. In June they declared the pandemic over in NZ with no new cases of community transmission. Yet, in August, they started seeing new cases in the wild again. They claim it was due to security breaches in their international traveler isolation systems.


"New Zealand scientists doubt the virus has been circulating undetected the past 3 months. 'Anybody in hospital with respiratory symptoms gets tested and we’ve had nothing,' "

Apparently NZ scientists didn't get the asymptomatic transmission memo. :lol:
Or maybe they have been getting all false negatives and forgot to keep retesting until they got the results they wanted.
 

fishtm2001

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In 2019, he published Tell Your Children: The Truth About Marijuana, Mental Illness and Violence, a Reefer Madness–style book warning of rampant THC-linked societal problems. In a letter, 100 academics and clinicians from some of America’s top medical institutions denounced arguments in Berenson’s book, describing his research as “flawed pop science” and a perpetuation of “the worst myths about people of color and people with mental illness.” Last year Berenson donated $200 to the ACLU after betting that critics couldn’t find a single error in his book and losing.

Vanity Fair
 

oldngray

nowhere special
Michael Powell, a current New York Times columnist, called Berenson’s coronavirus ramblings “appallingly obnoxious...in a moment of maximum pain for so many people” in a Tuesday tweet. He added, “There is a path to raise questions and there’s another to be an :censored2:.”
Sounds like NYT got butthurt by facts
 
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