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Old Man Jingles

Rat out of a cage
It's sad that your philosophical education seems to be limited to a movie. Here's a good starting place. If you can master this information, you may start to do better at discerning truth from the lies you feed yourself every day. After reading the information in this link, form a logical argument for the existence of reality outside your own mind. That will be the beginning of your true education.

I just shake my head when he quotes a movie to argue his point. LOL
 

zubenelgenubi

I'm a star
i like the article although without hearing any other perspectives on it, it doesnt sound like something we should strive for. we should be skeptical of our own thinking. ive frequently said that i either cant remember what hte guys i listen to say or i dont know. im very much in favor of people sacrificing their lives for something bigger than themselves like justice and love so maybe that goes against Metaphysical Solipsism.

i dont like ethical solipsism at all. i like what david wallace said. my view on knowledge is we cant ever know everything and so how do we act based on that. i like how they link it to nihilism which i am aware of and im against.

my philosophical knowledge is based on what guys i listen to say and they do have alot philosophical points. chris hedges is my favorite in wages of rebellion he talks about how prophets resist and what it takes for a revolution and i loved it because it reminded me of what LOTR, star wars and the matrix was trying to say. its pretty well known cornel west is big into philosophy. ive also watched alot of wisecrack youtube videos.

Solipsism is not an ideal to strive for. It is a conundrum, an obstacle to overcome in the pursuit of objectivity. At the core of everyone's consciousness is the realization that they are the only thing they can know to be true. If you don't understand that on a conscious level, and prove to yourself it is false, then everything you think you know is based on assumptions.
 
It appears Don the Dumb's last negative test was not recent and, in particular, that he either wasn't tested or maybe tested positive before Tuesday night's debate.

That's nice.
 

Brownslave688

You want a toe? I can get you a toe.
Droplets are airborne, aerosol is also airborne. You’re not a genius. A mask will protect against Covid19 better than no mask. Fact.
Now you’re talking about droplet transmission. We are talking about airborne transmission. Which is defined as much much smaller droplets. Those which masks do nothing To prevent the spread of
 

rickyb

Well-Known Member
Solipsism is not an ideal to strive for. It is a conundrum, an obstacle to overcome in the pursuit of objectivity. At the core of everyone's consciousness is the realization that they are the only thing they can know to be true. If you don't understand that on a conscious level, and prove to yourself it is false, then everything you think you know is based on assumptions.
im not sure what your saying. my guys dont believe in objective reporting if that helps because they think its ridiculous. i wanted to put this here because you seem to be a neutral guy. get info from a variety of perspectives and then reach a conclusion:

“Why should we cherish “objectivity”, as if ideas were innocent, as if they don’t serve one interest or another? Surely, we want to be objective if that means telling the truth as we see it, not concealing information that may be embarrassing to our point of view. But we don’t want to be objective if it means pretending that ideas don’t play a part in the social struggles of our time, that we don’t take sides in those struggles.

Indeed, it is impossible to be neutral. In a world already moving in certain directions, where wealth and power are already distributed in certain ways, neutrality means accepting the way things are now. It is a world of clashing interests – war against peace, nationalism against internationalism, equality against greed, and democracy against elitism – and it seems to me both impossible and undesirable to be neutral in those conflicts.”



one way of telling if something is true or not is what do guys say and what actually happens. ralph nader actually wrote a whole book on this called i told you so.

what do you mean the self is the only thing i can know to be true? i disagree with the idea that im the only thing thats real. sounds like BS ego talk. i could be fake but then id assume everyone is too. im a huge believer in reflections on teh wall philosophy and evil deceiver.

i dont understand your point. sometimes you dont understand that people dont understand you.

alot of what i believe to be true is based on faith and common sense, thinking, and a reference system.
 
Now you’re talking about droplet transmission. We are talking about airborne transmission. Which is defined as much much smaller droplets. Those which masks do nothing To prevent the spread of
Droplet transmission is airborne transmission, aerosol transmission is airborne transmission. You’re not a genius. A mask is better than no mask.
 

zubenelgenubi

I'm a star
im not sure what your saying. my guys dont believe in objective reporting if that helps because they think its ridiculous. i wanted to put this here because you seem to be a neutral guy. get info from a variety of perspectives and then reach a conclusion:

“Why should we cherish “objectivity”, as if ideas were innocent, as if they don’t serve one interest or another? Surely, we want to be objective if that means telling the truth as we see it, not concealing information that may be embarrassing to our point of view. But we don’t want to be objective if it means pretending that ideas don’t play a part in the social struggles of our time, that we don’t take sides in those struggles.

Indeed, it is impossible to be neutral. In a world already moving in certain directions, where wealth and power are already distributed in certain ways, neutrality means accepting the way things are now. It is a world of clashing interests – war against peace, nationalism against internationalism, equality against greed, and democracy against elitism – and it seems to me both impossible and undesirable to be neutral in those conflicts.”



one way of telling if something is true or not is what do guys say and what actually happens. ralph nader actually wrote a whole book on this called i told you so.

what do you mean the self is the only thing i can know to be true? i disagree with the idea that im the only thing thats real. sounds like BS ego talk. i could be fake but then id assume everyone is too. im a huge believer in reflections on teh wall philosophy and evil deceiver.

i dont understand your point. sometimes you dont understand that people dont understand you.

alot of what i believe to be true is based on faith and common sense, thinking, and a reference system.

I understand people don't understand me, all the time. It's because their own cognitions trip them up and make them assign values to my statements that don't exist. In other words they infer things that they believe I am implying. But if they actually listen to/ read the words that I write/say without projecting their own values on to them, then what I am actually saying is quite clear.

This idea that objectivity is not a desirable goal is based on a conflation of objectivity and objective reality. Objective reality is that which exists In a physical form. Objectivity is the attempt to align views and beliefs up with objective reality. This is impossible, as objectivity is an unachievable ideal. But ideals give is a direction in which to orient ourselves, so they aren't pointless.

Then you have subjective reality. The reality that is made up of our perceptions of objective reality. The goal is to align subjective reality with objective reality, and the closer you get to that, the more true your subjectivity is.

By saying being objective is ridiculous you are putting perceptions of reality above the reality itself. Which makes sense in context with the views and logic people like you subscribe to. Saying subjectivity is paramount above objectivity is putting the cart before the horse, which is why all of your views are exactly backwards.

This is why being able to refute solipsism is important. If you can't, then it makes sense that you would place the subjective ahead of the objective. But without the object, there is no perception through which the subjective is formed.

Admitting bias, or interest, while truthful, is without meaning if that bias is used as the justification for itself. Like Churchill said, It's like standing in a bucket and trying to lift yourself up.
 

Brownslave688

You want a toe? I can get you a toe.
Droplet transmission is airborne transmission, aerosol transmission is airborne transmission. You’re not a genius. A mask is better than no mask.
Not according to the medical community.


I don’t have to be a genius. I just have to be smarter than the person I’m arguing with. Which in this case is a part time sup. So very easy arguments for me to win.
 
Not according to the medical community.


I don’t have to be a genius. I just have to be smarter than the person I’m arguing with. Which in this case is a part time sup. So very easy arguments for me to win.
Yes to the medical professionals as well. They know that aerosol and droplet transmission are airborne transmission. Again just read the name AIRborne, aerosol is in the AIR, droplets are in the AIR. This is like teaching first grade.
 

Brownslave688

You want a toe? I can get you a toe.
Yes to the medical professionals as well. They know that aerosol and droplet transmission are airborne transmission. Again just read the name AIRborne, aerosol is in the AIR, droplets are in the AIR. This is like teaching first grade.
maybe you just need to do more research.


“ Infections with respiratory viruses are principally transmitted through three modes: contact, droplet, and airborne.”
 

hellfire

no one considers UPS people."real" Teamsters.-BUG
maybe you just need to do more research.


“ Infections with respiratory viruses are principally transmitted through three modes: contact, droplet, and airborne.”
I hope you are just trolling him now and you are not that....... misinformed..........
 

newfie

Well-Known Member
Plandemic the election infection of 2020 where Trump proves everyone wrong
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