Coronavirus

[Jumpin Jack Flash]

That’s straight from the CDC website

There’s more than just that one sentence. Droplets are airborne and the CDC supports this.

 

[Brownslave688]

There’s more than just that one sentence. Droplets are airborne and the CDC supports this.

Droplet transmission is by large droplets that are mostly stopped by masks.

Airborne transmission is by droplets much too small to be stopped by your average mask.


With the designation of covid being an airborne transmission disease the cdc is admitting Masks are useless.


This is a very typical goalpost move though. Masks were all about stopping large droplets that’s how it’s spreads. Well actually it spreads in droplets much too small for the masks to stop.


Oh well the masks aren’t hurting anyone and they might help so people should wear them anyway.

It’s no different than the only reason we shut anything down was to “flatten the curve” just keep changing the narrative and moving the goal posts.

 

[Jumpin Jack Flash]

Droplet transmission is by large droplets that are mostly stopped by masks.

Airborne transmission is by droplets much too small to be stopped by your average mask.


With the designation of covid being an airborne transmission disease the cdc is admitting Masks are useless.


This is a very typical goalpost move though. Masks were all about stopping large droplets that’s how it’s spreads. Well actually it spreads in droplets much too small for the masks to stop.


Oh well the masks aren’t hurting anyone and they might help so people should wear them anyway.

It’s no different than the only reason we shut anything down was to “flatten the curve” just keep changing the narrative and moving the goal posts.

Your first two sentences prove you wrong. Both are airborne. Your post not mine. Small droplets are usually referred to as aerosol droplets and they are airborne. A mask is better than no mask at all!

 

[Brownslave688]

Your first two sentences prove you wrong. Both are airborne. Your post not mine. Small droplets are usually referred to as aerosol droplets and they are airborne. A mask is better than no mask at all!

They have different medical definitions you bafoon. Look up how many virus have been designated to have airborne transmission. Hint it’s just a few.

 

[Jumpin Jack Flash]

They have different medical definitions you bafoon. Look up how many virus have been designated to have airborne transmission. Hint it’s just a few.

You’re wrong and you know it. You starting to look foolish. You were wrong. Droplets and aerosol transmission are airborne transmission. You’re proving that you troll these boards.

 

[vantexan]

Trump has record unemployment. That’s a fact!

He did it to make all the libs who don't want to work feel more comfortable. Safety in numbers.

 

[Brownslave688]

You’re wrong and you know it. You starting to look foolish. You were wrong. Droplets and aerosol transmission are airborne transmission. You’re proving that you troll these boards.

Sure bud. That’s why the medical community has different definitions for each. Oh by the way there’s no such thing as aerosol transmission by definition.

Keep crowing how wrong you are there. It’s amazing you’re a bigger narcissist than trump. I didn’t think that was possible. Congrats.

 

[newfie]

Trump has record unemployment. That’s a fact!

Obama was above 8 percent when he ran for reelection . That's a bigger fact

 

[Jumpin Jack Flash]

White House Senior Adviser Stephen Miller has tested positive for Covid19. Trumps WH is a mess.

 

[rickyb]

I understand people don't understand me, all the time. It's because their own cognitions trip them up and make them assign values to my statements that don't exist. In other words they infer things that they believe I am implying. But if they actually listen to/ read the words that I write/say without projecting their own values on to them, then what I am actually saying is quite clear.

This idea that objectivity is not a desirable goal is based on a conflation of objectivity and objective reality. Objective reality is that which exists In a physical form. Objectivity is the attempt to align views and beliefs up with objective reality. This is impossible, as objectivity is an unachievable ideal. But ideals give is a direction in which to orient ourselves, so they aren't pointless.

Then you have subjective reality. The reality that is made up of our perceptions of objective reality. The goal is to align subjective reality with objective reality, and the closer you get to that, the more true your subjectivity is.

By saying being objective is ridiculous you are putting perceptions of reality above the reality itself. Which makes sense in context with the views and logic people like you subscribe to. Saying subjectivity is paramount above objectivity is putting the cart before the horse, which is why all of your views are exactly backwards.

This is why being able to refute solipsism is important. If you can't, then it makes sense that you would place the subjective ahead of the objective. But without the object, there is no perception through which the subjective is formed.

Admitting bias, or interest, while truthful, is without meaning if that bias is used as the justification for itself. Like Churchill said, It's like standing in a bucket and trying to lift yourself up.

sometimes they dont understand and its their fault, sometimes its yours.

i was talking about objectivity regarding journalism being ridiculous. journalists select facts and can spin them as they please. the origins of objectivity with journalism was to give hte rich mans argument. plus you cant be perfectly objective anyways in terms of journalism. likewise i dont understand why you would want to be neutral as a journalist aside from the economic rewards it provides. so is that what htey are doing as journalists being subjective if they think objectivity is nonsense? chomsky likes the idea of journalistic objectivity but he says in practice its twisted.

im no philosophy major, i know some of it but i typically dont listen to alot. i do listen to wisecrack and i have read books but i forget.

this is a good conversation, better than arguing about masks. i watched a few videos on solipism or whatever too.

btw chris hedges comes out of the NY times covered revolution and wars, and quit his job because he wasnt allowed to speak out against hte iraq war even though fellow journalists were openly in favor of it.

 

[Poop Head]

One of the reasons for a mask is airborne transmission, as well as aerosol. A mask helps with both. You guys need to stop trolling and Brown Cafe should put and end to it. A mask is better than no mask!

They havent told us to mask our eyeballs and earholes. Yet...

 

[Poop Head]

Not according to the medical community.


I don’t have to be a genius. I just have to be smarter than the person I’m arguing with. Which in this case is a part time sup. So very easy arguments for me to win.

Hes a pilot. Get it right

 

[newfie]

White House Senior Adviser Stephen Miller has tested positive for Covid19. Trumps WH is a mess.

they're developing herd immunity . what the country should have done. Swedens living good while we hide behind mask

 

[rickyb]

they're developing herd immunity . what the country should have done. Swedens living good while we hide behind mask

swedes got a second wave as we speak.

did the right wingers predict this would happen?

 

[zubenelgenubi]

sometimes they dont understand and its their fault, sometimes its yours.

i was talking about objectivity regarding journalism being ridiculous. journalists select facts and can spin them as they please. the origins of objectivity with journalism was to give hte rich mans argument. plus you cant be perfectly objective anyways in terms of journalism. likewise i dont understand why you would want to be neutral as a journalist aside from the economic rewards it provides. so is that what htey are doing as journalists being subjective if they think objectivity is nonsense? chomsky likes the idea of journalistic objectivity but he says in practice its twisted.

im no philosophy major, i know some of it but i typically dont listen to alot. i do listen to wisecrack and i have read books but i forget.

this is a good conversation, better than arguing about masks. i watched a few videos on solipism or whatever too.

btw chris hedges comes out of the NY times covered revolution and wars, and quit his job because he wasnt allowed to speak out against hte iraq war even though fellow journalists were openly in favor of it.

How can it be my fault that someone misunderstands me? I'm not in their head, I can't force them to read the words as written and not twist them.

Objectivity doesn't change regardless of the context. It all comes back to my original point. To say that opinion or perspective on a matter is more important than the matter itself is to say that there is no meaning, there is no objective reality, there is no truth. You say you are against nihilism, but denying objective reality in favor of your opinion on a matter is either nihilism or hubris.

If opinion outweighs fact, then there is no objective reality, because reality is whatever any particular person believes it to be. But this is all demonstrably false. The problem is that you have to solve the problem of solipsism in order to be able to accept the idea of objective reality. So, again, I'll ask, can you come up with a logical argument against the concept of solipsism? Not your opinion on it, not what your "experts" say. An argument based on logic whereby you can overcome the hurdle of solipsism. I have come up with two that I think are pretty solid, and a few that are kinda weak.

Also, I wasn't really arguing about masks. I was explaining why I'm right.

 

[zubenelgenubi]

swedes got a second wave as we speak.

did the right wingers predict this would happen?

They had a second wave already, which was barely a ripple. This one is a little bigger but too early to tell if it will get much bigger. Deaths are at zero, and are holding steady, which is what is more important. Based on other viral pandemics, but particularly sars cov 1, this is expected. Once herd immunity is established, the virus continues to spread around a bit until it pretty much peters out over the course of 18 months to two years. Look up how the sars cov 1 pandemic went. You'll see some similarities, but the numbers weren't as high since it wasn't as contagious.

 

[vantexan]

They had a second wave already, which was barely a ripple. This one is a little bigger but too early to tell if it will get much bigger. Deaths are at zero, and are holding steady, which is what is more important. Based on other viral pandemics, but particularly sars cov 1, this is expected. Once herd immunity is established, the virus continues to spread around a bit until it pretty much peters out over the course of 18 months to two years. Look up how the sars cov 1 pandemic went. You'll see some similarities, but the numbers weren't as high since it wasn't as contagious.

Viruses usually mutate over time into something milder. That along with herd immunity makes them fade away. Epidemiologists are saying from what I've read that this virus isn't mutating. That not only suggests it was created in a lab but that we'll definitely need vaccines for protection. Those who choose to not get vaccinated will continue to put the most vulnerable at risk, assuming they don't get vaccinated either. The Swedes have gotten the infection rate way down, but people are still getting infected. Hopefully a good vaccine will come along soon.

 

[tadpole]

Viruses usually mutate over time into something milder. That along with herd immunity makes them fade away. Epidemiologists are saying from what I've read that this virus isn't mutating. That not only suggests it was created in a lab but that we'll definitely need vaccines for protection. Those who choose to not get vaccinated will continue to put the most vulnerable at risk, assuming they don't get vaccinated either. The Swedes have gotten the infection rate way down, but people are still getting infected. Hopefully a good vaccine will come along soon.

If a vaccine ends up existing, how will we know that it will be safe? If healthy individuals have low risk of health problems from Covid, they ought to risk having injections? So the old people can die of something else instead?

 

[vantexan]

If a vaccine ends up existing, how will we know that it will be safe? If healthy individuals have low risk of health problems from Covid, they ought to risk having injections? So the old people can die of something else instead?

Doubtful anything is 100% safe for everyone but the trials use tens of thousands of people so fair to say what they come up with will be safe for most. If we aren't going to use vaccines what's the alternative? Stay shut down forever? At the rate the Swedes are getting infected we could go that route and just live with the fact that sometimes people will die, especially if elderly.

 

[zubenelgenubi]

Viruses usually mutate over time into something milder. That along with herd immunity makes them fade away. Epidemiologists are saying from what I've read that this virus isn't mutating. That not only suggests it was created in a lab but that we'll definitely need vaccines for protection. Those who choose to not get vaccinated will continue to put the most vulnerable at risk, assuming they don't get vaccinated either. The Swedes have gotten the infection rate way down, but people are still getting infected. Hopefully a good vaccine will come along soon.

They already identified 8 strains as early as April, so yeah, it's mutating. Sweden's cases are within expectations, and the death rate is flat, so if it's not getting less severe, they are doing better at protecting the most vulnerable, or the vulnerable are mostly all dead. Everywhere else that didn't get hard early on are experiencing larger resurgence, but death rates are dropping or are flat at close to zero, as expected.

It would be a significant breakthrough if they actually created a vaccine for this. I'll wait until they get the exploding organ issues ironed out before I think about vaccinating. Sounding more like therapeutics are the way to go here.