Coronavirus

[rickyb]

If a vaccine ends up existing, how will we know that it will be safe? If healthy individuals have low risk of health problems from Covid, they ought to risk having injections? So the old people can die of something else instead?

it helps to have people you already trust because they can tell you if its safe or not.

 

[rickyb]

They had a second wave already, which was barely a ripple. This one is a little bigger but too early to tell if it will get much bigger. Deaths are at zero, and are holding steady, which is what is more important. Based on other viral pandemics, but particularly sars cov 1, this is expected. Once herd immunity is established, the virus continues to spread around a bit until it pretty much peters out over the course of 18 months to two years. Look up how the sars cov 1 pandemic went. You'll see some similarities, but the numbers weren't as high since it wasn't as contagious.

thats not what i saw, they did bad on their first wave it dropped in june or whatever and now its taking off again. youre right the deaths are down which at least we've figured that out, but people can have long term illness from covid which i dont have ht enumbers on.

 

[zubenelgenubi]

At the rate the Swedes are getting infected we could go that route and just live with the fact that sometimes people will die, especially if elderly.

Isn't that pretty much how life goes? Sars cov 1 is gone, no reason not to expect the same from sars cov 2.

 

[tadpole]

it helps to have people you already trust because they can tell you if its safe or not.

I’m not getting vaccinated for this. It’s not deadly enough to risk taking what will probably need to be several injections, which only protect 30%.

 

[zubenelgenubi]

thats not what i saw, they did bad on their first wave it dropped in june or whatever and now its taking off again. youre right the deaths are down which at least we've figured that out, but people can have long term illness from covid which i dont have ht enumbers on.

Because the long term health effects are complete speculation. That's why you don't have numbers on it. Sweden's numbers are up a bit, maybe they'll get back to the earlier highs, unlikely though, and cases are not that big a deal, in spite of the fantasies of long term negative effects. Deaths are flat, hanging at or near zero with no signs of spiking.

 

[zubenelgenubi]

it helps to have people you already trust because they can tell you if its safe or not.

I prefer to let people I'm not too fond of be the guinea pigs. If their organs explode, I'll wait for further refinement.

 

[Jumpin Jack Flash]

they're developing herd immunity . what the country should have done. Swedens living good while we hide behind mask

Sweden has a death rate from Covid19 that is in line with US deaths. Please know what youre talking about before posting. ‘It’s been so, so surreal.’ Critics of Sweden’s lax pandemic policies face fierce backlash

 

[refineryworker05]

I am telling you if you just listen to trump, you'd think he was getting his talking points from coronavirus. It would be like coronavirus was sentient and telling trump "yeah say this and say that, that'll cause me to spread to more people and that's what I want to replicate and live". trump's thinking is completely unhinged and insane. trump is just a terrible human being and nearly as bad a president as GWBush, which is really saying something, GWBush is responsible for the deaths of probably 1million Iraqis, and tens of thousands of Americans, the Katrina failure, the economic crash, an utterly corrupt administration with multiple people going to jail, and a record of death and destruction I thought I'd never see in my lifetime, but here we are with trump with over 210,000 dead, an economic crash, failure with the hurricane in Puerto Rico, and tons of corrupt trump administration members being convicted or going to jail.

 

[vantexan]

They already identified 8 strains as early as April, so yeah, it's mutating. Sweden's cases are within expectations, and the death rate is flat, so if it's not getting less severe, they are doing better at protecting the most vulnerable, or the vulnerable are mostly all dead. Everywhere else that didn't get hard early on are experiencing larger resurgence, but death rates are dropping or are flat at close to zero, as expected.

It would be a significant breakthrough if they actually created a vaccine for this. I'll wait until they get the exploding organ issues ironed out before I think about vaccinating. Sounding more like therapeutics are the way to go here.

But is it mutating into less severe stains like normal viruses do? If not it's just as dangerous for the elderly as before. Sweden is doing about 200 new cases a day, much less than the rest of Europe. Many of those countries are considering trying the Swedish approach. And we should too.

 

[vantexan]

I am telling you if you just listen to trump, you'd think he was getting his talking points from coronavirus. It would be like coronavirus was sentient and telling trump "yeah say this and say that, that'll cause me to spread to more people and that's what I want to replicate and live". trump's thinking is completely unhinged and insane. trump is just a terrible human being and nearly as bad a president as GWBush, which is really saying something, GWBush is responsible for the deaths of probably 1million Iraqis, and tens of thousands of Americans, the Katrina failure, the economic crash, an utterly corrupt administration with multiple people going to jail, and a record of death and destruction I thought I'd never see in my lifetime, but here we are with trump with over 210,000 dead, an economic crash, failure with the hurricane in Puerto Rico, and tons of corrupt trump administration members being convicted or going to jail.

And damn that Obama for not taking us out of these pointless wars.

 

[refineryworker05]

And damn that Obama for not taking us out of these pointless wars.

I wanted President Obama to do more to get us out of those GWBush( you know the guy republicans loved and supported) wars, but he did do massive troop drawdowns that trump has failed to come close to matching.

 

[fishtm2001]

Why isn't donald taking hydroxychloroquine?

 

[DriveInDriveOut]

Why isn't donald taking hydroxychloroquine?

Because he already defeated the Chinese Virus. Ttku good buddy.

 

[Jumpin Jack Flash]

215,909 dead Americans, 7.726+million infected. Yesterday saw America lose another 790 lives. It’s really sad that the President got a cocktail of drugs that saved his life and isnt pushing the drugs for all who suffer from Covid19. He pushed a failed drug called hydroxychloroquine than the cocktail he took. Texas again led in deaths with 100, Texas saw their infections double from Mon to Tues.

 

[Jumpin Jack Flash]

Trump pushed hydroxychloroquine for Americans with Covid19. When he got Covid19 he took a different drug. He’s a snake oil salesman!

 

[rickyb]

But is it mutating into less severe stains like normal viruses do? If not it's just as dangerous for the elderly as before. Sweden is doing about 200 new cases a day, much less than the rest of Europe. Many of those countries are considering trying the Swedish approach. And we should too.

u have to adjust for population size too.

 

[rickyb]

Because he already defeated the Chinese Virus. Ttku good buddy.

he shouldve taken it. anyone at hte white house should take it if they recommend it.

 

[rickyb]

I wanted President Obama to do more to get us out of those GWBush( you know the guy republicans loved and supported) wars, but he did do massive troop drawdowns that trump has failed to come close to matching.

obama was bad, he continued many of bush's worst policies and expanded on them.

 

[zubenelgenubi]

But is it mutating into less severe stains like normal viruses do? If not it's just as dangerous for the elderly as before. Sweden is doing about 200 new cases a day, much less than the rest of Europe. Many of those countries are considering trying the Swedish approach. And we should too.

What makes a strain less virulent, or severe? What metric do you use? Different people react differently to the same strain. I say deaths and hospitalizations would be the best gauge. Cases will continue for at least a year to two years, that's expected. I haven't tracked hospitalization rates, but suspect they must not be very bad or we would be blasted with them non stop. So deaths are down and dropping, and hospitalizations are not an issue. Either the virus is getting milder, the people who have the worst reactions to it are being protected better, or they've mostly all already caught it. Seems like it must be one of those three, or some combination.

 

[Jumpin Jack Flash]

6 states see record hospitalizations. Six U.S. states report record COVID hospitalizations, new restrictions in place