Red, to answer your first question, Who suffers here? Yes, you have it partly right. Remember my Marine Corp analogy, the sup(platoon sgt) and the other drivers(marines) will have to cover his sorry butt. Oh thats right the sup cant help, because you'll file a grievance(remember Joe dirt, no call, no show,awol that you stubbornly defended) for the sup(sgt) working.
Area you are comparing apples to oranges here. Its different when someone doesnt show up for work and the bosses know about it. But its one thing to take out the route and bring back the truck and hide it in a cowardly fashion without telling anyone that the truck is there.
Area im really starting to believe that you didnt have what it took to be a steward and thats why you resigned or got voted out.
Red, your second question. In reference to not representing him in his 40 day prob period. Hmmmm that surprises me. When I was a shop stewart, as soon as that new employee punched in. I was there to represent him, you know, "the common laborer". What s the kid supposed to do? Represent himself. Lets say he didn't abandon his job. Lets just say he was 5 minutes late. Would you then represent him? Or would you just leave him high and dry?
Area if you were ever a steward you wouldnt have asked this question because you would have understood the contract and realized that until you have worked your 40th day ups management can disqualify you for anything they like. More importantly this kid was hired off of the street and our p-time workforce was passed up for a friend-time job opening!
Red, don't you believe in giving people second chances. This kid seems to need guidance and tutoring. Obviously, he didn't get it at home. Red, you and the other shops stewarts are mentors, role models for the younger drivers whether you want to be or not. Like you say the company is counting on you. The customers are counting on you, so to speak. Does that stewart know that you post on the Brown Cafe. Curious, if he does than Im sure he has told others in his center. Therefore, you have called this poop bird out in public on the World Wide Web(no wood shed, here folks).
I believe in giving people second chances if they deserve it! But this kid didnt earn the right to receive a second chance now did he. Area i brought this here to see if this has ever happened anywhere else at ups in the country. This kid doesnt come on here to my knowledge so how is this calling him out, if hes not aware of this website?
Red, you said you don't have to explain yourself to me. I have been a teamster for 22 years, longer than you have. I pay my dues and are in good standing with the teamsters. I am a common UPS laborer. Its your job as a stewart to answer all my questions. Our do you just want the soft fluffy questions? This isnt Red communist China. This is America. Red, answer my questions. I want my monies worth.
Your right area, its my job to answer your questions! AT WORK not here on this site! Im not your steward here, im a upser talking about things that effect me at work. I do chose to help people out with answers to their union questions from time to time. If you were a steward than why would you have to ask for an answer? Dont you know the contract?
Red, Last question pertaining to me bringing the info to the center manager office. Red dont forget you asked for the facts. I guess, I could have just told the center manager to bring it up on their computer screen. Anyhow, as a shop stewart 99 percent of the time you have to go to the company to get the facts. Example, accidents,theft, call ins, pay problems, etc, etc. Where did you want me to go to get the facts? the teamsters, as far as I was concerned, they were not involved.
So you are telling us that you will trust what your manager and ups accountant think the truth is? How come you didnt invite the ie guy in to get his opinion? 99% i get the facts from the grievant or witnesses, 99% of the time i get lies from ups management on the case or falsified records, and hear say! If the teamsters were not involved then how did you feel that ups was involved?
In Closing, Red why did you tell the people in your center you post here. I believe in telling them you have forfeited your right to post as you convictions lead you. Peer pressure. Knowing that you have to go to work the next day and face the music, could be scarey. Ex. You want to side with Tie on a issue but dont, because of the poop birds in your center will give you a dirty look and you might lose their vote.
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