DRIVING A PACKAGE CAR UP TO 63HRS A WEEK?!

[turdbrown]

I am a norcal pkg car driver. We have always been told that we can 'NEVER" work past 14HRS in a workday. MGMT forced all drivers to work Saturday because of heavy volume. We all came in to work the available hrs that we had available only to find out that MGMT had added our break time from the week to our available hours! Now we are being told that we can work/drive up to 63hrs a week! Even though DOT states that you can only be on the clock for a max of 14hrs. That includes any time on the clock including all brks and any lunches taken. Is this being told to any other centers? I notified the mgmt team that I was not going to violate the 60hr rule. Told them that if they instructed me to violate, I would so I wouldn't lose my job. Told them that I would grieve it. They talked about it and then said I could go home.

 

[IVE GOTTA PACKAGE 4U]

Smart move.

 

[SaladTosser]

If they gave in then they know they're wrong.

 

[Brownslave688]

I am a norcal pkg car driver. We have always been told that we can 'NEVER" work past 14HRS in a workday. MGMT forced all drivers to work Saturday because of heavy volume. We all came in to work the available hrs that we had available only to find out that MGMT had added our break time from the week to our available hours! Now we are being told that we can work/drive up to 63hrs a week! Even though DOT states that you can only be on the clock for a max of 14hrs. That includes any time on the clock including all brks and any lunches taken. Is this being told to any other centers? I notified the mgmt team that I was not going to violate the 60hr rule. Told them that if they instructed me to violate, I would so I wouldn't lose my job. Told them that I would grieve it. They talked about it and then said I could go home.

Your break counts towards your 14 hours but not towards 60 hours worked.

 

[UPS4Life]

Breaks have always been logged off duty in feeders. So you could be on the road after 60hr 49min if you get a 10 minute break everyday. I'm not thrilled I think it's wrong, just my opinion, I'm sure a lawyer would know when you run into someone after being on the clock more then 60 hours in a week.

HOWEVER, I don't know about package car but feeders is running on the 70hr/8day work week now so essential if you start at the same time you could work 6 days a week and get 34 off. I'm not in PC but I would assume all hour rules apply. Seems like PC is a little more flexible with the 30min meal before 8hr?

 

[IVE GOTTA PACKAGE 4U]

Breaks have always been logged off duty in feeders. So you could be on the road after 60hr 49min if you get a 10 minute break everyday. I'm not thrilled I think it's wrong, just my opinion, I'm sure a lawyer would know when you run into someone after being on the clock more then 60 hours in a week.

HOWEVER, I don't know about package car but feeders is running on the 70hr/8day work week now so essential if you start at the same time you could work 6 days a week and get 34 off. I'm not in PC but I would assume all hour rules apply. Seems like PC is a little more flexible with the 30min meal before 8hr?

Depends on how far your run is. If it's under 100miles (I think) the 30 minutes before 8 hours doesn't apply

 

[Rack em]

Isn't your lunch break also deducted from your total hours at the end of the week as well?

 

[Brownslave688]

Depends on how far your run is. If it's under 100miles (I think) the 30 minutes before 8 hours doesn't apply

I think it's as long as your route never goes over 100 miles from the center the way the crow flies.


Very few routes do.

 

[IVE GOTTA PACKAGE 4U]

I think it's as long as your route never goes over 100 miles from the center the way the crow flies.


Very few routes do.

The 100 rang a bell. Just couldn't remember exactly what the rule was

 

[DriveInDriveOut]

I think it's as long as your route never goes over 100 miles from the center the way the crow flies.


Very few routes do.

I think the short haul exception also only applies if you're off duty within 12 hours.

 

[UPS4Life]

I was under the impression under 100 miles don't have to log a lunch since they don't run log books but are still required to take a lunch before 8. That's how I was explained it by nobody important.

 

[UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)]

I was under the impression under 100 miles don't have to log a lunch since they don't run log books but are still required to take a lunch before 8. That's how I was explained it by nobody important.

We are required to take at least a 30 minute meal break before our 8 hours, regardless of miles from the center.

 

[DriveInDriveOut]

We are required to take at least a 30 minute meal break before our 8 hours, regardless of miles from the center.

https://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/regulations/title49/section/395.1
(e) Short-haul operations —(1) 100 air-mile radius driver . A driver is exempt from the requirements of § 395.8 if:

(i) The driver operates within a 100 air-mile radius of the normal work reporting location;

(ii) The driver, except a driver-salesperson, returns to the work reporting location and is released from work within 12 consecutive hours;

 

[UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)]

The above was per our center manager.

 

[UPS4Life]

https://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/regulations/title49/section/395.1
(e) Short-haul operations —(1) 100 air-mile radius driver . A driver is exempt from the requirements of § 395.8 if:

(i) The driver operates within a 100 air-mile radius of the normal work reporting location;

(ii) The driver, except a driver-salesperson, returns to the work reporting location and is released from work within 12 consecutive hours;

So my understanding is clocked out before your 12th hour from punching in. If you come back on property and punch out 12.25 and you didn't meal is that a violation?

 

[DriveInDriveOut]

So my understanding is clocked out before your 12th hour from punching in. If you come back on property and punch out 12.25 and you didn't meal is that a violation?

That's how I read it, I dunno though I'm not a lawyer. It seems unnecessarily complicated to me.

 

[UPS4Life]

That's how I read it, I dunno though I'm not a lawyer. It seems unnecessarily complicated to me.

The whole meal thing is complicated due to all the provisions within it. Personally I think if you drive for a constant 8 hours sure you need a 30 minute break. But if you drive 2 or 3 hours and stop on property drop and hook go to the bathroom stretch the legs and on property for 30 or 40 minutes personally I think that should be sufficient.

So since this thread took a hard turn towards meal is package in the 70/8 rule?

 

[IVE GOTTA PACKAGE 4U]

The whole meal thing is complicated due to all the provisions within it. Personally I think if you drive for a constant 8 hours sure you need a 30 minute break. But if you drive 2 or 3 hours and stop on property drop and hook go to the bathroom stretch the legs and on property for 30 or 40 minutes personally I think that should be sufficient.

So since this thread took a hard turn towards meal is package in the 70/8 rule?

No.

 

[PT Car Washer]

Breaks have always been logged off duty in feeders. So you could be on the road after 60hr 49min if you get a 10 minute break everyday. I'm not thrilled I think it's wrong, just my opinion, I'm sure a lawyer would know when you run into someone after being on the clock more then 60 hours in a week.

HOWEVER, I don't know about package car but feeders is running on the 70hr/8day work week now so essential if you start at the same time you could work 6 days a week and get 34 off. I'm not in PC but I would assume all hour rules apply. Seems like PC is a little more flexible with the 30min meal before 8hr?

I worked 8 consecutive days last week under 70 hours.

 

[10 point]

If your vehicle is under 10,000 gvw are you still under the DOT restrictions?