oldngray
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If you read that article it said it didn't know the break down of numbers.
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If you read that article it said it didn't know the break down of numbers.
Correct, because of Koch dark money. It could even be greater than 3 to 1.
oldngray
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Or could be less. All that story could say was they didn't know anything.
No, from the article:
That said, one independent analysis of trackable federal data found organizations tied to the Kochs spent three and a half times what unions did in 2012.
oldngray
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We can say for sure that the $490 million Trudeau cited came from more people than just Charles and David Koch. It included campaign contributions from Koch Industries political action committees and from Koch Industries employees. In fact, the article itself doesn’t contend that all the money came from the Kochs. It called it part of the "Koch network."
"I saw that claim in Doonesbury and was surprised by it," Lloyd Hitoshi Mayer, a University of Notre Dame Law School professor who studies political nonprofits, told us. "Trudeau may have mistakenly overestimated the amount attributable to the Koch brothers."
"We have no idea how much of the money comes from the Kochs," Maguire said.
There are difficulties, too, in trying to calculate spending by unions.
We found a variety of totals for union political spending, although only the one cited by Trudeau exclusively tallied up the activities of the top 10. Remember, Doonesbury compared the Kochs to that smaller group.
One of the problems is the national unions give money, but so do their local affiliates. Some of that spending is on candidates and parties, and some is on lobbying. A comparable analysis on the Koch Industries side would include similar spending by its 12 companies and their subsidiaries. We did not find anything like that.
To further complicate the picture, the unions also give through third-party organizations that don’t reveal their donors
On the Koch side, the sources Trudeau cited did not say that all of the money connected to David and Charles Koch was their personal money. The Kochs have played a key role in creating a unique legal mechanism to raise and spend money that obscures the ultimate donors, and the nature of that mechanism gives them a high level of of control over how it is spent. To some extent, unions also feed into third-party money operations. And union political activity is spread much wider and among more organizations than the Kochs’ giving.
In short, a true apples-to-apples comparison is quite difficult.
You left off the conclusion:
That said, one independent analysis of trackable federal data found organizations tied to the Kochs spent three and a half times what unions did in 2012.
How does all of this shake out?
Trudeau goes too far in ascribing all of the money to the Kochs but the ratio he offers is in the ballpark of what we can determine at the federal level. We rate the claim Half True.
oldngray
nowhere special
Half True = Half False. The whole article was full of unknowns and assumptions rendering it pointless.
BrownArmy
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Why are you guys arguing about this?
The Supreme Court ruled that it's just FREE SPEECH.
MONEY=FREE SPEECH.
If FREE SPEECH is good enough for the Kochs, it's good enough for UNIONS.
Neither side should argue about this anymore...if it's good for the GOOSE, it's good for the GANDER.
See how that works?
The Supreme Court ruled that it's just FREE SPEECH.
MONEY=FREE SPEECH.
If FREE SPEECH is good enough for the Kochs, it's good enough for UNIONS.
Neither side should argue about this anymore...if it's good for the GOOSE, it's good for the GANDER.
See how that works?
oldngray
nowhere special
Federal Appeals Court Reinstates Wisconsin’s Voter ID Law
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/09/12/federal-appeals-court-reinstates-wisconsins-voter-id-law/
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/09/12/federal-appeals-court-reinstates-wisconsins-voter-id-law/
Please take time to read this, and pass the info to your friends.
This is a link to voting resources, and an argument on why you should vote.
http://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/2gaqmz/in_51_days_we_have_the_opportunity_to_fix_the/
I would welcome intelligent discussion on the points this poster brings up.
This is a link to voting resources, and an argument on why you should vote.
http://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/2gaqmz/in_51_days_we_have_the_opportunity_to_fix_the/
I would welcome intelligent discussion on the points this poster brings up.
upschuck
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I personally don't take anything that is one sided to be worth a whole lot. This site obviously leans to the left.
Reddit is a pretty good cross section of mostly coherently thinking people.
The OP of the link laid out a path for change. Every congress critter is up for re-election. Pick whichever side, but vote.
The second post in that Reddit thread was nothing but links to various laws and how to vote legally. If you are against that, well....
upschuck
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But they are all one sided, which tells me there is an agenda to that post. If you want to inform, then give me a table that has information of the bills, including all the add-ons, and give me who voted how, not that Republicans filibustered every bill that was mentioned with no mention of the whole bill. I may be for the main portion of a bill, and then all the added junk against, I would have voted against too. Got to look deeper into things than just the surface.
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