European crisis

[Sportello]

They are criminals and should be treated as such.

No, they are not criminals. Spend an hour or two trying to educate yourself on the subject.

 

[IVE GOTTA PACKAGE 4U]

No, they are not criminals. Spend an hour or two trying to educate yourself on the subject.

Illegal immigrants are not criminals?
You are the one not paying attention

 

[Brownslave688]

Illegal immigrants are not criminals?
You are the one not paying attention

Isn't that what illegal means?

 

[oldngray]

The phrase 'illegal alien' has no real meaning under the law. The status of being present in the United States without a visa is not an ongoing criminal violation.

Not here legally = illegal. Are you a US citizen? No. Then alien. Illegal + alien = illegal alien. More accurate than using a deceptive politically correct term like "undocumented".

 

[IVE GOTTA PACKAGE 4U]

Isn't that what illegal means?

I thought so. Guess @sportello is way too smart for me.
I better go learn me something.

 

[Sportello]

How is he confusing the two? He simply said that we can kick out the illegal aliens to help refugees.

Once again, the term 'refugee' has a specific meaning under the law. It has nothing to do with immigration.

 

[Operational needs]

The phrase 'illegal alien' has no real meaning under the law. The status of being present in the United States without a visa is not an ongoing criminal violation.

Violating our immigration laws IS a criminal violation. If it weren't, when caught, illegals wouldn't be put in holding centers and then deported.

 

[Brownslave688]

I've got an idea. Maybe these people should spend as much energy trying to make their own countries great instead of trying to get out.

 

[IVE GOTTA PACKAGE 4U]

How is he confusing the two? He simply said that we can kick out the illegal aliens to help refugees. I'm sure he knows the difference between legal and illegal immigrants. He may not feel the need to write a novel to get his point across like some long winded people on here do.

Bingo! And thank you.

 

[IVE GOTTA PACKAGE 4U]

The phrase 'illegal alien' has no real meaning under the law. The status of being present in the United States without a visa is not an ongoing criminal violation.

Really? Keep digging. I'm starting to enjoy this.

 

[Sportello]

Illegal immigrants are not criminals?
You are the one not paying attention

Isn't that what illegal means?

Not here legally = illegal. Are you a US citizen? No. Then alien. Illegal + alien = illegal alien. More accurate than using a deceptive politically correct term like "undocumented".

Being present in the USA without a visa is not necessarily a criminal violation. It may be a civil infraction, or there may be circumstances that would make their presence perfectly acceptable. To say someone is 'illegal' means that you have convicted them without a hearing.

Read this book.

 

[oldngray]

Being present in the USA without a visa is not necessarily a criminal violation. It may be a civil infraction, or there may be circumstances that would make their presence perfectly acceptable. To say someone is 'illegal' means that you have convicted them without a hearing.

Read this book:

Infraction is against the law and therefore illegal.

 

[Brownslave688]

Being present in the USA without a visa is not necessarily a criminal violation. It may be a civil infraction, or there may be circumstances that would make their presence perfectly acceptable. To say someone is 'illegal' means that you have convicted them without a hearing.

Read this book.

 

[Sportello]

Infraction is against the law and therefore illegal.

Civil infraction, not criminal. There is only a monetary fine, no jail time. It's like a parking ticket, not a burglary.

 

[Brownslave688]

Civil infraction, not criminal. There is only a monetary fine, no jail time. It's like a parking ticket, not a burglary.

You mean a ticket you get if you park illegally?

 

[oldngray]

Civil infraction, not criminal. There is only a monetary fine, no jail time. It's like a parking ticket, not a burglary.

Parking ticket is an infraction. It is also illegal. Or was it legal to park there?

 

[Sportello]

You mean a ticket you get if you park illegally?

No, ticket that you get when the change runs out.

 

[IVE GOTTA PACKAGE 4U]

Parking ticket is an infraction. It is also illegal. Or was it legal to park there?

Don't they tow you away?

 

[oldngray]

No, ticket that you get when the change runs out.

Similar to someone who visits the US and stays illegally after their visa expires you mean?

 

[IVE GOTTA PACKAGE 4U]

No, ticket that you get when the change runs out.

Our "change" runs out in 2016! Thank God.