clean hairy
Well-Known Member
In the Southern, Holiday is double time plus Holiday pay.
We have to work the day before or the day after the Holiday, but not both.
We have to work the day before or the day after the Holiday, but not both.
Forcing Thanksgiving Holiday Work Is The Beginning Of The End
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MC4YOU2
Wherever I see Trump, it smells like he's Putin.
Ok, no us either. This is the ability to take the whole vacation week on top of a holiday week, then to have that holiday become available as a floater, since you are getting 16 hrs of pay on those double days.
BigUnionGuy
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MC4YOU2
Wherever I see Trump, it smells like he's Putin.
rod
Retired 23 years
I took every day off that was available. The way I figured it I worked enough overtime on a regular basis to justify it. A 4 day weekend for Thanksgiving was time well spent with my kids and wife ice fishing, visiting Grandma and Grandpa and the outlaws and just goofing around together as a family. My kids seemed to enjoy me hanging around more with them than having a few more bucks in my pocket. They also, for the most part, got what they wanted for Christmas (sorry sweet heart - you can't have a real unicorn and Son you aren't going to get a new Corvette). After Christmas I took more time off (even unpaid) if I could. To each his own but "time off with the family" always ranked way up there on the list for me.
BigUnionGuy
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MC4YOU2
Wherever I see Trump, it smells like he's Putin.
Bubblehead
My Senior Picture
Here's what it says in the Central Region Supplement:
ARTICLE 15-HOLIDAYS
Section 1
A regular seniority employee shall not be required to work on the
following eight (8) named holidays-New Year’s Day, Memorial
Day, Fourth of July, Labor Day, Thanksgiving Day, day after
Thanksgiving Day, Christmas Day and New Year’s Eve-regardless
of the day of the week on which the named holiday falls, provided
they comply with the qualifications set forth hereinafter.
Section 4
Except as otherwise provided in this Agreement, regular seniority
employees required to work on any of the above named holidays
shall receive double his/her regular hourly rate for all hours worked
with a guarantee of eight (8) hours for full-time employees and four
(4) hours for part-time employees. Also, no employee shall be
required to work on Labor Day unless authorized by the local union.
Our supplement clearly states that regular seniority employees shall not be required except as otherwise provided in this agreement. The only place it is otherwise provided for is in Article 40 of the master, which only provides for an air operation, not a full day. I will be there soaking up money, but anybody who decides not to come in is most certainly not "SOL", the company is.
bleedinbrown58
That’s Craptacular
We always work Christmas Eve....since I've been here anyway.
oldngray
nowhere special
bleedinbrown58
That’s Craptacular
Well yea, that's what i meant.
SandBagger
Active Member
!!!!Touchdown Bubblehead!!!!
There is no contract language in any supplement that I have read thus far which requires any employee to work on a "legal holiday", with the exception of Article 40 workers and package drivers required to supplement the air deliveries.
Granted, I have not read every supplement, but I seriously doubt the language is there in any of them because the company did not forsee the need to include it prior to last Christmas. By then the current MA had already been offered, voted, and ratified with nothing outstanding except supplemental agreements in all but a few locals. Jimmy Jr. announced compulsory implementation nationwide and sealed the deal until 2018 for everyone, and the company cheered. Then came Amazon and the winter of 2013.
Sorry El Heffe, but your misinterpretation of the contract legalese is woefully inaccurate and misleading.
When you finish soaking up all the cash you can extract from UPS mindlessly working your life away at the expense of irreplaceble family time, consider a career in union leadership. Most of them make a good living keeping the confused confused.
Just remember to funnel at least 25% of that overtime pay into the federal coffers to keep the national handouts coming for those too lazy to work. They appreciate your dedication more than Uncle Buster and those, by-the-way, will be the ones you and some of your co-workers will be dodging (drunks) on Black Friday.
Cheers!
bleedinbrown58
That’s Craptacular
I have not read every supplement either, but wouldn't the absence of such language also make working Black Friday a requirement?
If a particular supplement doesn't clearly state Black Friday to be a holiday and that no employee can be force to work any holiday....wouldn't they have to work if management says so?
SandBagger
Active Member
So far, every supplement I have seen lists "day after Thanksgiving" as a legal holiday. Doesn't yours?
You don't need a proviso stating no employee has to work. In fact, you need a clear startement that they do in order to make reporting compulsory. You'll find such language in Article 40 (j)(2) as an example.
Tactfully hidden in that air language is compulsory legal holiday report for basically any number of package drivers the employer so chooses. I say "tactfully" because Article 40 was supposedly meant to exclusively cover air operations only.
So how did package drivers get pulled into the mix? Because they didn't know it (didn't read it) when they voted, and because the most senior drivers (the ones who typically cast a vote most often) may have known but didn't give a hoot because it likely never would impact them.
If anyone can find language that makes reporting on a holiday compulsory, please post it here for the benefit of all. Simply referencing "if required to work on a holiday" in no way makes reporting compulsory.
If the boss "insists", ask him to show you the actual language.
Same goes for the stewards, business agents, etc.
Pretty soon you'll start seeing volunteer lists going up around the country. You just need to stand your ground.
Last time it was your Christmas turkey, and now your holidays are at risk. Go ahead and give one up and see how many you have left by 2018.
Of course if all it takes to steal from you is to offer you a little fast cash, then none of this really matters, right.
Just sayin'...
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OLDMAN3
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Can anyone confirm that this is the correct interpretation in the Central Region?
Has this situation (forcing regular package drivers to deliver ground on a holiday) been tested by a grievance in the past?
Management is maintaining that they can force package drivers to deliver ground on this holiday.
The interpretation of the leaders of the IBT (including the CRT) is Section 4 of Art 15 gives UPS the language necessary to schedule work on any holiday without approval from the IBT except for Labor Day. The fact that Labor Day is exclusively listed gives "interpretive guidance".
Good luck with getting a grievance past the first step.
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BigUnionGuy
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SandBagger
Active Member
Yep, The "leaders of the IBT" interpret a lot of things in peculiar ways when it suits an agenda.
I have some "interpretive guidance" for you...
And I think some of the Locals under pressure from their rank and file will agree...
The fact that Labor Day is excluded for all employees in the Central Region merely indicates that it is set aside as most holy to labor and the blue collar worker.
What it says more precisely is that all workers have contractual recourse on that day, unless of course their "leaders at the IBT" choose to rescind the option at some later date.
That of course would be political suicide from a Socialist or Democrat perspective, and as we all know the Teamsters are the left hand of the Democrat party and will never do anything offensive in that arena. Those campaign contributions have to keep on flowing, and pissed-off members tend not to contribute to the party of choice when directed. No one is touching Labor Day, ever.
One thing can be stated with certainty. With all the tension and mixed messages being slung around concerning this issue, someone somewhere is going to move this way past any bogus grievance hearing at some point. The final arbitor will likely be a federal agency, and I'd love to be a fly on the wall when the union fat cats and the company mutually testify that they agree a holiday was never intended to be a holiday to begin with.
Won't everyone be delighted with that revelation?
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