FT bid run getting bumped off
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UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)
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We have had this discussion. Quite simply they are unwilling (lazy) to train new drivers and would rather move FT drivers as needed.
I have to wonder how many of you who are telling Steve to say "NO" from behind the safety and anonymity of your keyboard would actually do that in real life.
Steve has to work in this center. Yes, he has a bid route and, yes, he is getting screwed by being forced to jump, but he is working every day, providing for his family. Saying "NO" could very well put all of that at jeopardy.
If our BA had a set as big as his waistline this would not be an issue.
UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)
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This would be interesting.
Then you file grievance after grievance after grievance. You make a statement. Also, whenever they bump you (bs) off of your bid route, follow the methods to a T, and be as over as you can be without being dumb (so they can't gig you on anything)
trickpony1
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Upstate-
There's a thing called a "contract", which is an agreement between two or more parties.
Is there language regarding this issue in the contract? I don't know....haven't been in PC since before some of you were born.
Perhaps educated parties can "sit down" and explore the contract for any related language.....and then implement it.
There's a thing called a "contract", which is an agreement between two or more parties.
Is there language regarding this issue in the contract? I don't know....haven't been in PC since before some of you were born.
Perhaps educated parties can "sit down" and explore the contract for any related language.....and then implement it.
Without knowing your exact language, I'd expect there is an allowance to permit UPS to do just about anything in "emergency" situations. However not training isn't an emergency. I'd get a few more guys to light up the BA.
Pulling bid holders off their bids is unusal and would raise eyebrows at a panel.
Sounds like a lazy center manager.
Pulling bid holders off their bids is unusal and would raise eyebrows at a panel.
Sounds like a lazy center manager.
UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)
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"Lazy" may be a bit harsh.
Using available resources in the most optimum manner possible may be the better response.
Using available resources in the most optimum manner possible may be the better response.
trickpony1
Well-Known Member
Could you cite the article number that contains this language?
Next question: whose side are you on?
Overpaid Union Thug
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He doesn't have to simply say no. The trick is to show them he means business. He needs to come in and grab his DIAD and the steward and be firm in telling them that he is running his route. And should tell them it's the their responsibility to get unassigned drivers trained on the other routes. And remind them that that is what the ON CAR in the title On Car Supervisor entails. And that they can learn them blind if need be.
At that point they'd have to pull their work as directed card and he'd have to work on the other route and he would file and definitely ask for the difference in pay should the driver on his route work later. And do that every single day it happens.
And it sounds like a call should be made to the local president. If the BA isn't getting this fixed then I'd definitely go that route.
Whatbrownwontdoforyou
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I fought this battle in my center and won without a fight from ups labor in hearing......further more in my local we have to refuse to come off a bid route
Whatbrownwontdoforyou
Well-Known Member
But I had the union behind me on this
BigUnionGuy
Got the T-Shirt
Steve is the "aggrieved party".... Not the BA.
It is Steve, who has to initiate the process and insist on his contractual rights.
It sounds like he is afraid of making waves, and wants to hide behind
the Union (and blame them).... using the excuse of "I have a family".
My previous suggestion would solve his problem....
and stave off any similar issues in the future.
-Bug-
PiedmontSteward
RTW-4-Less
I would.
Unions reps are not social workers. It's not my job (or your BA's job) to hold someone's hand and tell them everything is going to be OK. It's your steward's job to provide Steve all of the advice and information he needs and the BA's job to make sure it gets done.
The Milkman
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I sort of had the same type of problem. Being a cover driver for about 8 years before getting a bid route I would be yanked because of the area knowledge ploy. Also during summer months they would eliminate my route on Mondays to fill other routes with extra work. You have to send a message everytime you are bumped off your route. Mine was to run well over the plan and have an stress free day while doing it. Any feedback from the stooges was met with" Hey it's been some time since I was last out here, new developments, etc. I am doing the best I can"
They would rather deal with you instead of teaching the newbies new areas. They cater to the newer drivers. Nothing like being bumped off your route after 15 years and have a 3 year driver do your route while you do one that you have not been on for a few years, escpecially during peak
UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)
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Steve does a good job. He is not a runner/gunner by any means. He takes pride in what he does and won't screw the customers just to make a point.
Steve needs to stand up for himself and tell management he wants to run his own route, and your stewards and BA need to do their jobs.
Johney
Pineapple King
He can still take care of customers and prove his point.
No that is spin to make the center manager and other management not seem lazy. If someone is being continually asked to change routes there is no point in even bidding routes
